moebius the insightfull Cheers dude you really know your stuff, that temple.dll of yours worked wonders. Now all we need is for atari to abandon this software completely so you can upload the entire game onto the net to make a d&d community thats worth spending time in! one lead character, up to 7 player NPC's per log in meet up with your friends and slaying all your least favourite monsters!!! Oh that empty building in Hommlet (just north of the inn) how about putting a Wizard capable of crafting a whole bunch of stuff in there? Just a suggestion. Thanks.