What weapon is what

oh yeah, I wasn't quite sure which one you were refuring to so I picked one and went with it.

that axe with a spike on the bottom of it would work well as a double weapon tho.

 

You and I are one on that one. Only double weapons allowed in my PNP games are the urgosh and the quarterstaff. (Though I'm tempted to change the quarterstaff into a real quarterstaff [ie big pole you hold like a spear and whack people with when they try to close. The name comes from the fact you would hold your lead hand about a quarter of the way up the weapon] and call the existing quarterstaff a bo.) Everything else is just as dangerous (if not more so) to the wielder as it is to the enemy.

 

I totally agree with that as well. Western stick fighting was totally different from eastern.

btw - a bit off topic, what stats would you give a katana with a 3' handle?

[EDIT] there is also 1 weapon in oriental adventures - its called a double scimitar - a curved blade at either end of a 5 or 6' pole. I made a wooden one and it works very similarly to a naginata, atho there are some moves you can't do, you can stand in an offencive and defencive stance at the same time.

 

Something like a nagamaki? I'm not really familiar with how they were used. Off the top of my head, I'd probably stat it like a falchion (the D&D kind that's more like a great scimitar, not the historical kind). It's two-handed, but because of your (assumed) hand placement, you don't really have the intertia you'd get from a greatsword/nodachi, so it would do less damage. However, it does allow for better control than a nodachi, so you're more likely to score a hit that counts (higher critical range).

Of course, the real weapon could function in a completely different way than I'm envisioning here, in which case disregard all that.

I can see that. And the longer pole (than the two-bladed sword) means you're less likely to inadvertantly catch a limb with the other blade after a solid parry. Though this is all conjecture on my part. My polearm-fighting ability is pretty much limited to "lop the guy's legs off when he tries to close the distance".

 

thats what I'm taking about. In OA its stats are 2d4 x3 slashing a bastard sword or katana is 1d10 19-20×2 slashing, now why would making a longer handle reduce the damage and increase the crit multiplyer?

btw dnd falchions are all wrong, in RL they're like a kind of slashing short sword. in dnd they are a chinese sword, the dadao

 

Best guess? They looked at the standard polearms, said we have a 2d4 x3 polearm in D&D and don't have its equivalent in OA, so we'll just slap those stats on a nagamaki.

Ideally, you want to make different weapons be distinct stat-wise from other weapons. Though 2d4 x3 crit makes it inferior to the katana, which does slightly more damage and can be used one-handed with a feat. That's why I was thinking falchion stats of 2d4 damage, but the a 18-20 crit range. I've never used or seen a nagamaki in use, so again, I'm just making guesses here. What effect does the longer handle have on the weapon, beyond the obvious increased leverage and lowering of the balance point?

I was aware, which is why I was specifying the D&D version vs. real weapon. Didn't know about the dadao though, which looks pretty much perfect for the D&D falchion, as you said.

At 3'+ in length, I'd actually consider the falchion closer to the D&D long sword (which in itself is incorrect nomeclature. An actual European long sword was about 4' long with a hilt long enough for two-hands. Very similar to the bastard sword. What D&D calls a long sword was commonly just called a sword, though differences in period and fighting style sometimes gave them different names), though since the emphasis is on chopping, I'd be inclined to give it battleaxe stats. (1d8, x3 critical).

 

Unfortunately its a double ended axe. -_-
Both sides do 1d8 damage with a x3 crit.
I doubt it will ever work properly here since
I haven't seen any double edged weapons
in ToEE. I suggest we either get rid of it
and make it a great axe (the one from Crunch's
mod) or make a double ended model with a
single attack roll... BTW I'm looking for the
picture you asked. Oh, another thing
by the way, the gnome hooked hammer
should also be treated as a two-handed
and double edged weapon and yet it has no
additional attacks. :/

 

That would be a great scimitar.

As maggit says, it's a pole with an axe blade at each end. Again, not so much with the sense-making.

 

I told Ted to make it a two handed
battleaxe just like the one by Crunch,
however I was looking for animations
which would fit a double edged axe and
found glaive quite interresting. If someone
would remodel it a bit, we could have at
least something that looks like the original.
On the other hand I agree with Kalshane, most
double edged weapons are (or would be) quite
useless.

 

in my ever so humble opinion we should leave it out

 

I'm with Cujo on this. Double-weapons, as of now, don't work. Plus, most of them are lame.

If someone wants to take the time to make them work, then we can add them back in for folks that like that sort of thing, but in the meantime it seems pointless to me to have a bunch of weapons in the game that don't work like they should. (The quarterstaff is an exception because it doesn't require an extra feat to use and any TWFer is better off using a pair of different weapons anyway, so the lack of a double-ended strike doesn't hurt it that much.)

 

Yeah I'm with Cujo and Kalshane. I definintely don't see the point of having weapons that don't function correctly, and I personaly don't see the point of all the work in getting them to work. Seems like our efforts could be better spent in other areas. Just my opinion of course, not trying to tell others how to spend their time.

Cuchulainn.