Just some additional info: I went back to a save and saw what would happen if I killed Lareth outright, before he has a chance to try and surrender. Still no Big 3 encounter. Oh, and far as I can tell, this is a clean install. Haven't run into any other recognizable problems so far. Qwinn EDIT: Okay, when I was first doing Lareth, I picked a conversation path that wound up putting him in my party. Even though I killed him anyway immediately afterwards and then reloaded a game where I'd never done that, I still wondered if some flag might've gotten set by that that somehow carried over into other saved games. So I quit the game and restarted ToEE, loaded up a game from before finishing clearing out all of the moathouse except Lareth's gang, -didn't- go back to town this time, fought up to him and killed him, killed his spiders on the way out (virtually dead by this point, trying not to rest or anything odd) and they still weren't there. So, yeah, I'm gonna load up NWN or something till I can get word on this