Turkey, international thief and terrorist?

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  1. ioannis76

    ioannis76 Established Member

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    The evidence is overwhelming:
    http://defence.pk/threads/russian-mod-presents-proof-of-turkey’s-role-in-isis-oil-trade.411667/

    [YOUTUBE]nMA4B2ZnQ2o[/YOUTUBE]

    The fact that the EU is having talks with this belligerent, clearly shows what the EU is all about.
     
  2. Pelador

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    First of all just to show that I have a balanced view, I want to note that I am not a fan of the Turkish government. I think they it is corrupt, overly aggressive and I don't think they are suitable for E.U membership. Plus the UN believes their attempts to enter it breach international law.

    Now about Russia. They are not to be trusted. They have an agenda against Turkey and would go to any means to weaken them. It's not impossible that any evidence brought forward could be fabricated or in the least misleading.

    That being said, knowing Turkey this evidence could very well be true. I just think that anything Russia says about their enemies should be taken with a pinch of salt.
     
  3. ioannis76

    ioannis76 Established Member

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    So, the footage shown is potentially fake? I did not see any evidence that it could be, nor did I see any experts on faking/falsifying video footage make any such claim.
    Even so, just 3 days ago, Turkish police raided the newspaper Zaman, Turkey's largest circulation newspaper:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-critical-of-president-erdogan-a6913611.html

    How can the EU cooperate with a government that demonstrates this despotic behaviour? Where, in the West are such practices even heard of, or tolerated?
     
  4. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    Well, in the US businesses are raided and inventories seized if you donate money to any party that isn't already in office. It would seem that all around the world governments have grown to large and the word of the common man holds very little if any sway in policies and actions of those who are supposed to represent them.
     
  5. ioannis76

    ioannis76 Established Member

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    sounds like some sort of anti-corruption mechanism, though I don't see how it is "ok" to donate to parties that ARE in office. It seems to me that if some big business would need to get favourable contracts, etc, the best way would be to donate to the party that IS in office.

    In the mean time, Turkish troops shoot and kill Syrian refugees. Interestingly enough, Davoutoglu said that even though Turkey takes in the greatest number of refugees, there is no anti-refugee sentiment. I guess they shoot without too much emotion.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-shot-and-killed-by-Turkey-border-guards.html

    There are other sources, such as RT, which speak of daily occurrences, but seeing that RT can be considered biased (even though they quote Amnesty International) I preferred to leave that out.

    Is this the country that the EU is working with, and handing out money to?
     
  6. ioannis76

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    A "cemetery for traitors" is ordered by the "Sultan":
    https://www.rt.com/news/352400-turkey-coup-traitors-graveyard/

    Even in ancient times, how one treated the enemy dead was a criterion to distinguish a civilized nation from a barbaric one. Modern-day Turkey proves to the whole world that it is an utterly barbarous nation, even by ancient standards.

    Moreover, the Sultan has decreed that "Democracy, freedom and the rule of law…For us, these words have absolutely no value any longer."

    https://www.rt.com/news/336092-erdogan-against-democracy-freedom/

    Is there anything more anyone could add to that?
     
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