Let's please not divert this thread again into a general troublehsooting one. @sirchet, thanks for the info so far, it's very helpful. Could you try the following: 1. activate vanilla via TFE-X4 (exp build is fine, whatever you have in there). 2. reboot computer. 3. download the attachment and extract the contents into your ToEE root directory and overwrite. This is the previous version of TFE-X(3). 4. You will now be running TFE-X3 again. Activate 7.9 (and/or 7.8 and KotB, etc., the more the merrier) with TFE-X3 and then test and see if any problems arise. 5. in the case of testing 7.9, apply the help.tab fix from above after you've activated 7.9. 6. don't swap out .dlls or rename movies or anything like that. If you get a familiar-looking crash like from previous versions, do whatever you would have done before to get past that (dis/en-able movies) and see what happens. The rebooting step is important, because once the bug (whatever it is) happens, it seems to affect the system until it's rebooted, so fixing the bug without a reboot might not show the fix. Much appreciated - I know it's a pain in the butt to activate modules all day and sit around waiting.