[TOE MOD Request] Rapier, Estoc and Armor

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  1. Verllero

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  2. Shiningted

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    - not easily? It makes sense, but rapiers are already their own thing, and if they are animated that way, then changing them would be hard.

    - yes

    - yes, assuming someone was a good enough modeller and was willing to do the addmeshes.
     
  3. Verllero

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    Well, about the rapier. I think "the fix" about that it`s replace the dagger (add another dagger) and make it 1/4d +2 of damage.
    Rapier Models:
    https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/rapier-65f5a81a81fc4b4c929c97ea004990bc
    https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/rapier-65f5a81a81fc4b4c929c97ea004990bc

    Estoc model: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/estoc-46ac751c91104272a217c0adde22850b

    About the armor:
    https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/castle-of-blois-knight-armor-fe9b59be506741b3abb1f91d5898717f
    https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/armor-set-a28d0e34d39b47c59d599bf7bc790fb2

    Those model can be used, just need the give credit to the authors and read any change of terms.

    Regards!
     
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    Well, great. I'll try the rapier thing - I don't think it will work, but I'll try it - and I'm sure someone else will be along to deliver on the other.
     
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    Ok, so here's what I tried (I will refer to the current behaviour of the rapier model as 'slashing' rather than the 'stabbing' you are looking for).

    - first, replaced with triple-sized dagger model: this looked ok (better than I expected) but still slashing.
    - tried reducing the size of a rapier to 'tiny', a la a dagger: still slashing.
    - did a few other tihngs, no luck
    - finally, changed current, medium-sized rapier model to Weapon Type: Dagger (left everything else as is): this created a stabbing animation but I suspect the game now regards weapon as a dagger (so dagger associated feats, and no longer a medium-szed weapon that could be finessed - I didn't test this but I see no need to as that's how the game works).

    So, the problem is some internal thing re how the game views the rapier as a concept, not as a model. I checked the various files associated with the rapier model (skm, ska, mdf etc) and can't see anything that I can alter to fix this.

    Maybe one of the Temple+ people could help - its a genuine issue, the rapier should be a stabby weapon - but I'm out of ideas.
     
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    The anim ID table for single-handed wielding is at 0x102BE540. It's indexed by weapon type, so change entry 31 from 2 (slash) to 1 (stab).
     
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    Thank you sir.
    Yeah good on ya, I'm not releasing a rogue temple.dll to come back and bite me in the 4$$ like happened to poor Moebius. I can just imagine decades from now people posting, "I installed Co8 and Temple+ just like the instructions, and then that temple.dll Ted did, but now I have 256 magic missiles and Michigan just flipped 6000 votes from President Barron to the Fembot 3000! Wtf?"

    What I will do is take you step by step through how to do this yourself, as I just did to test it.

    Step 1 - get your preferred Hex editor. I use HxD from HERE.

    Step 2 - backup temple.dll from your root ToEE folder (alongside the data and modules folders).

    Step 3 - if you are not confident of UAC not butting in and buggering things up, copy temple.dll onto the desktop. (I have to do that).

    Step 4 - open temple.dll in your Hex Editor and scroll down to 002BE5B0, and across to 002BE5BC. Currently it says 02.

    Step 5 - change it to 01. (See pic - it is red because it is changed. You will see 02 until you change it).

    Step 6 - save, then copy that temple.dll back into your ToEE root folder (overwriting, of course).

    Step 7 - profit.

    Let me know if it works.

    Rapier.png
     
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    Thank you Ted. The above works beautifully so far.
     
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    Are there d20 stats for an estoc or is it just meant to be identical to a rapier?

    EDIT: Ok, from Wikipedia:
    I already did the zweihander. :cool:

    Pointy sword with no cutting edge that can pierce mail - I do believe we have found a real life Keen piercing weapon. :eek:

    Now, long pointy weapon with oversized handle - how does this look? Its not exactly like your model, but it is still unlike any sword currently in ToEE. I have added a shortsword and current rapier for comparison.

    etsoc.png
     
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  13. Verllero

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    Hi. I`m searching for a English rapier... let´s see
    https://myext.info/image/screenshot_0/jpgfekgoidijgkhgpleofohblilbdohe.jpg

    I could´nt find it: https://media.tenor.co/images/38607a69cf819606d7dc1d8adefd45eb/raw

    Oh well:

    - The Estoc, keep it as you show in the pictures. Looks great.

    - The Rapier you show in the picture it´s okay, but, I suggest replace the vanilla model (IF that it´s more easy for you) and use this:
    https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/milanese-rapier-b6a87326689545728e1725c62693a9a2

    Now, IF you don´t want to make another try, keep it as you show in the picture and it´s fine for me. Regards!
     
  14. Shiningted

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    Well, as per previous, someone else is going to have to add your new models, that's not something I have ever done. (I've reskinned, modded, hacked and done any number of things to existing models, but never added a new one).

    Now - does anyone have any idea what the stats on an estoc would be? The same as a rapier? Note this obviously doesn't have a huge metre-long blade or anything. Surely Wizards have done stats for this somewhere?

    EDIT: Hmmm, the Interwebs is suggesting everything from a finessable peircing Bastard sword (complete with EWP for 1 handed use) to a finessable peircing longsword. To keep the 'medium but finessable' shtick I suspect it will have to stay a rapier...
     
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    How close is the jian (4423) to what you are looking for, at least in appearance?
     
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