So what do you do in rl?

you are right but thats not what i wanted to say. education is not only teaching knoweladge. its main role is to help a kid develop their character. raising them. giving them a place in society other than a job.

come on.. who needs 16 years to learn basic scientific information? its clearly not a teaching system nor character development. like ted said its a place to keep children in order and youngsters from rioting. why do you think there are police at universities in all the world? and at schools at some.

if people were really tought basic morals and its place in society and the goodwill behind these morals, not getting it forced on them as if theyre potential criminals, alot of problems would be solved. poor kids usually end up struggling with psychological problems of teachers themselves let alone developing a character to save the world. no offense btw my parents are educators too.

it isnt like "make this kid read goethe and he will stop pickpocketing" or "if he had a maths head he wouldnt feel the need to use drugs" but this is exactly what the system says.

knoweladge alone doesnt make a better person. neither ignorance.

 

Which paragraph starts my second half? I changed the subject three or four times. That's an F right there. Failure to KISS.

I know the final suggestion does not follow what I said before. And there's no way in hell it would happen. AND it wouldn't help.(?)

Do you disagree that education is the primary way a higher order civilization is maintained? (Knowledge isn't the key, or it's not propegated by education?) Do you feel that you didn't learn anything important in school? Do you know a topic that could safely be deleted from public curriculum? You don't think disrepect for education is an artifact of culture? I am interested in all of these topics. But maybe we should pick just one.

I quoted a section of what you said because I thought I read it before, but I didn't address it. Now you've said it again. Do you think kids shouldn't be in school as much? Ow! My heart wouldn't be in arguing this one. My son is partly home schooled. Thus, I have revealed the true depth of my hypocracy.

 

Was this the one with the exam from 1895?

 

Kio, are you saying the public schools should teach morality? Who picks what morality will be taught to a child? What if that child's parents disagree?

Are you saying the schools should teach more "life skills"? Cooking, finance, navigating the public transit system?

 

yea things like that. tell me which was more satisying for you; a joined physics lesson or the school trip? half of my personality was formed when i was alone in some theme park with 3 of my best pals running from shit to shit

 

What is a better way?

If you want to realize how "degenerate" our educations have become, read the Federalist Papers from a century before that. Not bad for a bunch of farmers. Once, there were giants...

 

I teach Math. I have no personality.

I STILL remember my field trips. Madame Butterfly...

On the other hand, I still use my physics to teach, and to convince Liberal Arts majors that ANYONE could think if they wanted to.

 

The world does not want thinkers anymore. Followers, jarheads, whatever you want to call the proles. Our education system is compartmentalized just as most of our work is compartmentalized to suit technology. The machines that were meant to lighten the burden of labor have instead quickened the pace of life.

We are not meant (ever) to understand the big picture. Again, from Orwell:

Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined....

Suppose that we choose to wear ourselves out faster. Suppose that we quicken the tempo of human life till men are senile at thirty. Still what difference would that make?...

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

 

You must always question things. Not just for your education, but to maintain the quality of life around you. Think the US would be in Iraq, if people stopped to ask questions? But how is asking questions taught in school? It is allowed only in controlled circumstances.

You have mentioned something that I think Ted hints at: the role of public education in stifling individuality. Guilty. Schools are so rigidly controlled because one student acting out can derail an entire class. The teacher must stop and deal with the "trouble-maker".

The "solution" is to remove the problem child to a special class that that is filled with other "special" students. An educational ghetto, so to speak. "Baby-sitting criminals" instead of teaching them.

Another problem is forcing bright students to stay in classes that are too slow for them. Thus, our brightest are taught think education is a waste of time. If you give them special classes, they become social pariahs. (Co8) The simple fact of the matter is that groups punish those who are different.

I know this is not a problem in my classes, because when I tell my students that they are all individuals, they drone, in unison, "We are all individuals."

 

People are too busy trying to keep their job greasing the wheels at the poision factory- The lay offs and wage cuts have yet to arrive. When they do there will be more people out protesting. That contingency is covered however by the 3rd infantry divisions deployment to the continental US.

Get back in (the bread) line, eyes forward, mouth closed. Disruptive students (citizens) will be sent to the Prinipals office for detention (homland security detention center)

 

Not that I'm preaching revolution or anything (the bullet in the back of the head from last time still smarts), but it is too soon. After the present crisis is "past", and people notice they still haven't "recovered", will there be any pressure for change. Right now, people are still hunkered down waiting for the hurricane to pass.

If people notice that the perpetraters of this present mess didn't suffer any financial repercussions and weren't held responsible, perhaps something will happen. I'll bet not. Just another successful pump, loot and run.

In the meantime, most people still have jobs to go to and bills to pay.

 

wow this thread has seriously gone off topic...

twice

 

Tell me about it! I was the one who started this thing!!

Yet the thoughts and views expressed here on such a variety of topics made me glad to know some intelligent life still exists on our planet.

BTW Cujo, YOU didn't answer the question put forth... What do you do in RL?