Should the blacksmith's masterwork dialog be changed into a real store inventory?

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Should the blacksmith's masterwork dialog be changed into a real store inventory?

  1. No, let's leave the dialog as it is.

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    23.1%

  2. Yes, the masterwork items should be available from his store inventory - ALL masterwork items.

    7 vote(s)
    26.9%

  3. Yes, the masterwork items should be available from his store inventory - but only METAL items.

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  1. Scorched_Earth

    Scorched_Earth Established Member

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    King Snurre!
    King Snurre, Fire Giant: CR 11; Large Giant (Fire); HD 17d8+119; hp 238; Init +1 (Dex); Spd 30 ft; AC 27 (-1 size, +1 dex, +8 natural, +9 +4 Chainmail); Atk +25/+20/+15 (2d6+20 and 1d6 fire/crit 19-20, +4 Flaming Greatsword); +12/+7/+2 ranged (2d6+11 and 2d6 fire, rock); Face 5x5 ft./10 ft.; SA Rock Throwing; SQ Rock Catching, Fire Subtype; AL CE; SV Fort +16, Ref +5, Will +5;
    Str 33, Dex 13, Con 24, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11;
    Skills: Climb +12, Jump +12, Spot +7;
    Feats: Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Sunder;
    Possessions: +4 Flaming Greatsword, +4 Chainmail, Necklace of Coral Skulls (15,000gp), Girdle set with 66 (100gp) garnets. Iron crown set with 6 (1,000gp) rubies, 6 (1,000gp) diamonds, and a huge jacinth (10,000gp), Cloak of the White Dragon

    Try taking on that for some Masterwork Weapons...entangle who??
     
    Scorched_Earth, Oct 27, 2005
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  2. CatBoris

    CatBoris Member

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    That giant looks like a whuss... :)
     
    CatBoris, Oct 27, 2005
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  3. Cujo

    Cujo Mad Hatter Veteran

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    OMG some ones quoting my 5th ever post
     
    Cujo, Oct 28, 2005
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  4. Croix

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    Using your quote in his/her sig no less. Thats a fun one. :)
     
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    Croix, Oct 28, 2005
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  5. Cujo

    Cujo Mad Hatter Veteran

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    I'm flattered, now why can't the rest of you bastards give me a head swell and quote me in your sig lines as well.
     
    Cujo, Oct 28, 2005
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  6. CatBoris

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    Seems like I'm the only one who loves you around here :)
     
    CatBoris, Oct 28, 2005
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  7. Cerulean the Blue

    Cerulean the Blue Blue Meanie Veteran

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    Cujo's got a fan!
     
    Cerulean the Blue, Oct 28, 2005
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  8. Scorched_Earth

    Scorched_Earth Established Member

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    A wuss? Are you kidding me, sure ToEE ridiculously over powers your PC's, but in any standard d&d campaign that Giant would own everything. After all, CR 11 means you'd need a group of 4 level 11 PC's to even stand a chance. Then again, I'd say Snurre should be even more powerful, least a CR of 16, but I didn't make up his stats.
     
    Scorched_Earth, Oct 28, 2005
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  9. Scorched_Earth

    Scorched_Earth Established Member

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    A wuss? Are you kidding me, sure ToEE ridiculously over powers your PC's, but in any standard d&d campaign that Giant would own everything. After all, CR 11 means you'd need a group of 4 level 11 PC's to even stand a chance. Then again, I'd say Snurre should be even more powerful, least a CR of 16, but I didn't make up his stats.
     
    Scorched_Earth, Oct 28, 2005
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  10. Moosehead

    Moosehead Rubber nipple

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    i think catboris was joking...
     
    Moosehead, Oct 28, 2005
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  11. CatBoris

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    Moosehead thinks right :)
     
    CatBoris, Oct 28, 2005
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  12. Scorched_Earth

    Scorched_Earth Established Member

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    Hmm...my mistake then, didn't catch your tone. I humbly apologize for the tiny outburst. It seems Snurre doesn't like being called a wuss.
     
    Scorched_Earth, Oct 28, 2005
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  13. halarious

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    getting back on track, there's the guy that makes shields, but only has one shield for sale, would it be simpler to add stuff to his inventory, and tweak his diologe.
    he is pretty useless as he is now.
    whatta you guy think?
     
    halarious, Nov 1, 2005
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  14. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    Generally speaking yuo can't fiddle with existing .mobs using ToEEWB, BUT inventories are an exception to that because they are very simple and they work off a 'treasure chest' which was the basic mob Agetian originally worked from to discover everythnig (the .mobs Liv and I used to spawn stuff pre-ToEEWB are actually treasure chest .mobs)

    So yes it can be done. I have never had the slightest problem with the Giant's head quest, but Allyx's thing about having items availabe from the appropriate shopkeeper after achieving the appropriate quest makes sense, I like it :)

    But that way it would have to be done via dialogue. I don't think we can achieve it via an inventory screen, wherein you only see certain items available for sale after a quest is complete. Inventories (at our current level of understanding) are all or nothing thnigs.
     
    Shiningted, Nov 2, 2005
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  15. Morpheus

    Morpheus Mindflayer Veteran

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    You could use two versions of the blacksmith, the standard one with his original inventory, and a modified one whose inventory contains the masterwork items. Once you complete his quest, the blacksmith is replaced with his masterwork-twin (i.e., the blacksmith object is destroyed, and blacksmith2 is activated). I haven't quite worked out how to do that yet, but it might be feasible.
     
    Morpheus, Nov 2, 2005
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