Pillars of Eternity

sirchet · Apr 11, 2015

Also, augmenting the priests AOE buffs has helped me greatly. I'm almost through the first chapter on hardest setting and I haven't had a total party wipe yet.

gazra_1971 · Apr 17, 2015

Here's an excellent review of Pillars of Eternity for those who are interested. The review contains spoilers of the plot at the very start of the game, so be warned.

(note: the Dungeon Master at the very start of the video is how I would imagine Gaear would be as a Dungeon Master )

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marc1967 · Apr 17, 2015

Is that Prince Thrommel's voice from 3:55 - 4:02? Especially when he says "He was on the wrong side".

Gehennis · Apr 18, 2015

GOG.com still has a sale going on for this game- 40% off. If I had a better PC I'd go for it...

Shiningted · Apr 18, 2015

Also saw that Good Game ep Gazra is referencing - must try to get thm to do a 'mods' episode.

EDIT: Come to think of it, a lot of Hex and Bajo's gushing about the expository dialogue and prose made me feel validated in some of the descriptive text I added to KotB in brackets - "[You see Mr Floppy's face fall but he maintains his quiet dignity and says with summoned conviction] crumpets, please!" - but also makes me wish I had kept a slightly more serious tone throughout.

Because it's all about KotB, you know

gazra_1971 · Apr 22, 2015

One reviewer at RPG Codex certainly didn't like Pillars of Eternity. Here's his review:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9867

Here's the gist of his review for those TLDR people (like me) out there:

RPG Codex Review: Darth Roxor on Disappointment, thy name is Pillars of Eternity
Review - posted by DarkUnderlord on Tue 21 April 2015, 07:39:47
Tags: Darth Roxor; Obsidian Entertainment; Pillars of Eternity

Darth Roxor has written a number of reviews for us at the Codex. He's covered a whole range of games both old and new such as Shadowrun Returns, NWN 2: Storms of Zehir and Darklands among others (which I'd have put here but the search function is still on my list of things to fix). So what was his take on Obsidian Entertainment's first KickStarter project: Pillars of Eternity?

Despite the "hive mind consensus" that's often claimed, the Codex has always been about diversity of opinions. One of our founding tenets is that you are free to love or hate anything you want as long as you can explain why and back your opinion with arguments.

And Darth's opinion is that PoE is not good, just not good at all. Here's a bite:

"When Obsidian Entertainment started their Kickstarter campaign for Pillars of Eternity in 2012 (under a working title of Project Eternity), many saw it as the second coming of Christ for cRPGs. There it was: the veteran developers from everyone’s beloved Black Isle Studios, reinforced by Tim Cain himself, wanted to bring us a modern successor to the Infinity Engine games. In their pitch, Obsidian described Eternity as something that would marry the combat of Icewind Dale, the narrative of Planescape: Torment and the exploration of Baldur’s Gate. Considering that a few years earlier Obsidian had given us the two Neverwinter Nights 2 expansions, Mask of the Betrayer and Storm of Zehir, that also fit parts of the above bill, it looked like there was no other choice but to get hyped.
[...]
Now, what do we make of PoE’s character system? Judged by its own merits, if I had to draw a comparison, I would call it the communism of character systems. Certainly, you have the feeling that everything you pick is kind of, sort of, equally useful (with some exceptions). But the flipside to this is that everything is also equally bland.
[...]
Your only reliable experience gains come from doing quests. That is certainly a reasonable approach by itself. It is however much less reasonable when you consider the amount of fighting you do in this game – all the trashmobs you steamroll through give you nothing, yet you are nevertheless forced to genocide them – most of this game’s playtime is spent fighting!
[...]
The bad encounter design and general lack of difficulty have one more very unfortunate result - they make exploring and dungeon-delving insanely boring. But make no mistake, this is also due to the dungeon design being very lacklustre to begin with.
[...]
Long story short, the stronghold has no use whatsoever. You can spend lots of money to fill it up with underlings and buildings, but nothing ever happens there. The buildings sell garbage. Your underlings don’t really do anything. Your free rest hall is behind 4 loading screens. You can even hold prisoners in a prison, and it has no effect on the game whatsoever. To say that the stronghold has been tacked on is the understatement of the century. Which is why I won’t even bother wasting more time talking about it.
[...]
The way the setting at large is presented to the player leaves a lot to be desired. PoE suffers a lot from its writers being obviously very proud of what they’ve done, so they make sure to tell you how awesome their setting is at every step – when an NPC starts talking about a distant place or a past event, brace yourself for a gigantic encyclopaedic infodump filled with dozens of alien names, regardless of whether the NPC is a commoner or a historian. This kind of exposition should be in the ‘cyclopedia’ section of the game’s journal, not in every second friggin’ dialogue.
[...]
Which brings us to what possibly surprised and disappointed me the most in PoE – the general writing quality is simply underwhelming. It never reaches any heights, it’s at best average and at worst abysmal. Everything is overly descriptive, very often just redundant and not leaving much for the player’s imagination. The majority of texts could easily be trimmed to one-third of their original size, which only tells me that PoE has never seen any editorial work apart from fishing out typos. One of the best examples I can think of is when you first meet Guy McBaddie the main villain, and the game makes sure to tell you at least three times that he is a bearded dude in a ceremonial robe and a fancy hat, even though the description is accompanied by two different illustrations in quick succession."

I'll let you read the rest and judge for yourself.

Thanks to Darth Roxor for taking his time to review PoE for us, and stay tuned as we'll have some further perspectives on PoE before all is said and done.
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Goshi3156 · Apr 22, 2015

I actually agree with some parts of the review (The quests, stronghold and character creation), but I also disagree with a lot of it (Writing and combat).

Gaear · Apr 22, 2015

Codex? I think their consensus on 'The Dark Knight' was "suckiest movie ever made."

(e.g. you can't look to the Codex for honest reviews, because generally everyone's looking to one up everyone else on negative reviews, and due to that mentality of "it better suck or else," they're afraid to be positive. So you'll get fear-based "this sucks!" reactions even when someone feels an inkling of enjoyment. Sometimes you can find nuggets of genuine feedback within their discussions, but rarely in their reviews.)

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