Paladins

Yeah, RUFN man is spot on. Replace innocents with thieves and criminals then play it through with a dark paladin.

The analogy with samurai and bushido is great.

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the paladin would do what he could without the help from the evil cleric in a world of black and white (and one solid shade of middle grey). if you take the situation from the first post where it doesn't sound like a life or death situation then he would fall (if he didn't just leave the party - cos thats a pretty big thing) that is if the hextorian priest even let him into his temple.

and the analogy with samurai and bushido is stupid - at least from a real life perspective. If real life was dnd there would've been almost exclusively ex-samurai. the idea of bushido was adheared to in WWII to give moral to the japanese troops but seldom before that. it was something to aspire to, that you'd try to live up to but if you got carryed away looting that last village, well no biggie.

btw I just re-read that post and the only way bits not stupid is this line "but another highly fictionalized character" it goes with the romantic ideas of cowboys and pirates.

 

This is very true; but, you could fill in the blank with any number of "fantastic" occupations; all we have to base it on is our romantic understanding of these things, since no one here is one...as far as I know. There may be a cowboy or two, but in the D&D crowd, I rather doubt it. :wyatt: Instead of applying real life logic (or our concept of these things), I think we're better off trying to figure how the rules of the game apply.

 

yeah well that does go with the first part of my post, saying that the paladin wouldn't have a part of the blessing from the evil cleric. the other part of that I was trying to get at was would the evil cleric fall from blessing the paladin

 

thats the way i see it Ted, for your original post, the paladin goes down no matter what. i agree with you that i think the priest would get kudos for getting the paladin there in the first place rather get in trouble for it.

as to kalshanes situation. well it would be upto the paladin to decide what is worst accepting the healing or letting the people die. then he could explain his reasoning for which ever choice afterward to the gods he serves. if i was DMing it he would be striped of powers for either choice and given a quest to redeem himself and regain his former rank as paladin.

 

Hrm? Bushido was not used before WWII?? Why do people make assumptions about the history of a country they know nothing about?

I know you don't care. But bushido was used widely. And it had absolutely nothing to do with fighting. Samurai were bureaucrats.

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Why do you ask Ted? Do you have a particular situation in mind for KotB? You said there was a `good' reason .

 

You might want to reconsider your position Spike, because I'm about to agree with you.
[size=+3] I agree with Spike, death before dishonor[/size]

 

Don't play with it, Gomer Pyle, shoot it!

IMO - Refnredde and Ted [and Spike, too] are right.

 

The Evil Cleric would indeed get a bump up for screwing over the paladin. It's like the old Stones tune...the "evil one" was around when the hero had his moment of doubt. Facilitated by the priest in this case.

Whoo...Whoo...

 

Agree...disagree...whatever. Just clean up your act, please.

 

Of course then Ted, there is the question under your question. Would a Paladin knowingly set foot in a Hextor temple with intentions other than destroying it? And if they did so, would they fall?

 

Why does it seem like people want to side with whatever decision is most-likely to screw over the paladin? I recall in the Drinking Contest threads, people were arguing the paladin should fall because he is responsible for the actions of others. Now he should fall because he isn't.

Believe me, I fully appreciate that being a paladin is an incredibly difficult path, but the consensus around here seems to be so strict that every paladin ever played will be fallen or dead within short order.