Our installation situation is a disaster - the saga of Co8 4.0.0

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  1. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    That's cool Morpheus, u were just the logical person to ask. (Well unless we wanted to be REALLY logical and ask Sol ;))

    <absolves Allyx> :) That's cool too.
     
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  2. Agetian

    Agetian Attorney General Administrator

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    NOTIFICATION: I have updated Toffee 3.1 (just fixed a non-critical, but nevertheless annoying bug that Shiningted reported). Co8 4.0.0 creators may want to download that version and use it instead of the previously released one (e.g. Cerulean, please include the newly uploaded version in the package instead of the previous one). Thanks for reading.

    INFORMATION ABOUT LIVONYA: I have sent Liv a detailed letter on behalf of the whole Circle of Eight community. Let's wait for a response. I'll notify you of anything that happens in this respect.

    - Agetian
     
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  3. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    That's what I love about Agetian: he says, and then he does! :mrhappy:


    Also, nice work on Cuthbert, Ted. Although by the sound of it, Blue was about to crack it too.
     
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  4. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    To make up for messing up St Cuthbert, I've made some improvements to the vest of escape. Ted could you add these changes to the protos your using to fix St Cuthbert?

    The vest of escape is no longer equiped as armour (equips as thieves tools) still grants freedom of movement and has masterwork lockpicks.

    I honestly had no idea that giving Cuthbert monk and druid levels would make him refuse to wear armour.
     
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  5. Cujo

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    but a druid should be able to wear heavy armour, just not METAL armour.
     
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  6. Cerulean the Blue

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    But a monk would not wear armor at all, especially if they had the wisdom bonus of St. Cuthbert.
     
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  7. Cerulean the Blue

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    I've got it Allyx. I will incorporate it. *thinks* You have tested it, haven't you? :poke:

    Seriously, no need to appologize. It's all part of modding. I could have (and has, on occasions too numerous to count) happened to any of us. The version of my random encounter fix in Ted's mod is still assigning a global variable, even though it doesn't use it anymore. Looks like I forgot to take that part out. Oops!
     
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  8. Cerulean the Blue

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    A slightly off topic question for all you modders while we wait to hear from Liv:

    Is there any reason the money script for Allyx's Shop Map mod couldn't be run in pc_start.py? It would have to be modified slightly, of course, since it appears that pc_start runs once for each PC, while the current money script runs once and looks at each PC in the party. If this works we could remove the spawner from the shop map. The mod works wonderfully as it is, and the spawner is a better solution than having the traders run the script, but I hate to use spawners when there is a better solution. Also, running the money script in pc_start.py would simplify allowing PCs that took WF in longsword and scimitar to be given those weapons at the start. The current script destroys all scimitars and longswords reguardless of feats.

    An on topic question:

    Shop Map with weapons and cloths, without weapons or cloths, or with weapons and cloths and include the zip file to remove them?
     
    Cerulean the Blue, Sep 25, 2005
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  9. Agetian

    Agetian Attorney General Administrator

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    I think it may be worth it to try the pc_start.py way, of course. I mean, the script will have to be altered, but I think there shouldn't be anything that will prevent it from firing off the pc_start.py. Unfortunately, I'm very busy right now to try it out, but if I have some time today I'll give it a try. Don't rely on me too much in this respect, though - maybe you can give it a try, Cerulean?

    I'd say we have to include three different options in a final installer. We should always try to act in a "whatever floats your boat, man" type of way, so everyone is going to be happy. I don't know what exactly installer suite Morpheus is going to use to build the executable, but I know that many installers allow to use different options, like:

    Custom Install -> Shop Map with weapons and clothes
    Custom Install -> Shop Map w/o weapons and clothes
    ....

    And so, depending on which one is checked, a different set of shop map files is going to be installed. I only see it this way, because there is a great debate even between my close friends as to what to play. So... ;)

    P.S. On a side note: still no answer from Liv Of course, I understand that it's too early yet, but anyway - makes me wonder if she ever checks her e-mail (hope so ;) ). Anyway, will struggle to get some answers (without any pressure, of course - it's all eloquent).

    - Agetian
     
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  10. Cerulean the Blue

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    Agetian, you were at the top of my list of people I had hoped would respond. I'm going to try it, I was just asking to see if anyone knew of a glaringly obvious reason it wouldn't work. You know, something that I was missing, like:
    I had completely forgoten that you could do that with an installer What do you think about still including a few zipped files so that it can be changed without a full reinstall?
     
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  11. Agetian

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    I'll try to find some time to try it out today. No promises here, though, but I'll try to do my best.

    Good idea! That will be a nice extra to include.
    - Agetian
     
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    @ Cerulean the Blue: Just did some preliminary testing... Unfortunately, pc_start.py will not work in all respects. For example, the extra 500gp that is given to players in the beginning of the game CAN'T be stripped from the pc_start.py script, because the money is given after the pc_start fires. Therefore, pc_start can't be used for the purpose of the Shop Map. Sorry about it, but there's little I can do. I think we'll have to resort to a spawner (hey, in the end spawners are an essential part of the original game, too! :))

    - Agetian
     
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  13. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    Umm... how about taking 500 gp from the pc's at the end of the money script in pc-start (allowing for a minus number too) so when the game starts random money is determined, 500 gp is taken away, the game starts and gives 500 gp to the pc's? leaving only the random money.

    That 'd work right?

    [EDIT] Agetian tried it and it didn't work, Ahh well.
     
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  14. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    Ummm shop map without weapons but with clothes? clothed dudes buying their gear? i'd say that, but I don't want to make things more difficult ;)
     
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  15. Cerulean the Blue

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    @Agetian: Thanks for trying it out for me. I was going to do it this morning, but since I'm on the west coast of the USA, you all get up a lot earlier than I do. I've already made a feats dependant version of the money script for the spawner, so no worries that the pc_start.py thing won't work.Thanks again.
    Well, depending on the capabilities of Morpheus and the installer, we can have any combination of weapons/no weapons clothes/no clothes. I'll speak with him about that when the time comes.

    Hey Ted, is your (almost) complete change log included in the Co8 4.0 you put on the FTP?
     
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