Our installation situation is a disaster - the saga of Co8 4.0.0

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Working on it now. Thanks for suggesting.
We'll see about the PC Count Patcher, too.

Ahh, that sounds better.
- Agetian

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

@ Everyone: I just added support for Humble NPCs and an integrated PC count patcher into Toffee and I have sent a new version to Shiningted for testing. If he doesn't encounter any problems with it, I'll make it an official release and Cerulean will be able to include the new version of Toffee in the Co8 4.0.0 pack. (Am I right that Cerulean makes the installation package?...... Sorry, I'm a little confused since I don't spend that much time at Co8 right now )

- Agetian

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

If I'm not mistaken, Cerulean is assembling, documenting, and sending everything to Morpheus, who will create the installer.


Re: Humble NPCs . . .

I've been pondering this a bit lately. It seems that:

1. Liv never fixed any NPCs outside of Hommlet with her "I need you to sell your items to me/don't sell anything else" fix in her mod. She was going to fix the rest in 2.0, but . . .
2. Liv 1.5.1 is what we're stuck with right now and probably forever.
3. Unless anyone feels that Troika's original NPC implimentation is okay, or Co8's loot-only-money fix is sufficient, all NPCs outside of Hommlet are still broken. i.e., Otis still joins overburdened, etc.
4. No one to my knowledge has been able to report any dire consequences of using Humble NPCs with Liv's mod. She indicated that there would be issues, but I suspect what's really going on was her feelings were hurt because she put so much time and effort into fixing NPCs her way, which was the only way at the time.

If all this is true (and maybe its not), why don't we make Humble NPCs standard? It would have been great if Troika had implemented NPCs the way they seem to have wanted to, but the fact is they didn't.

What does everyone think?

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

@ Gaear: I'd say that an option in Toffee would be more appropriate. Still, some people may want to play the game in a more classic way, and Humble NPCs patch actually changes the way game acts. I agree that it changes it for the better, but anyway - for example, I play a lot without the Humble NPC patch (yeah, call me a freak, but that's me). So... I think it's a good thing to include as a Toffee option (which I already did, still waiting for Ted's approval), in fact - everyone who wants it will be able to mark the appropriate checkbox and play with Humble NPCs. Everyone who doesn't want it won't have to look around for a way to revert it back so that Humble NPCs are disabled (they just have to uncheck the appropriate checkbox). That's only my opinion, but it seems reasonable enough.

@ Morpheus: Well, 'Toffee' is more of a slang name for it, but I actually used it in the new version in the about box ('About Toffee Pro'). I kind of like the name, it's also easier to pronounce. Your acronym sounds kinda good, too.

- Agetian

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

I'm the first to say it should be included as an option, but I have to confess I wouldn't want it to be an automatic standard. I've never used it that I can remember. Having NPCs who loot their share of gold is a part of roleplaying imho. Heck I even load up my NPCs with crap like boots and rusty swords in the happy knowledge they will offload them at the first merchant we encounter without me having to lift a finger, and if they fall later in the game I can just help myself to their purse - its like their own little 'resurrection fund'. Anyways, thats just me. I am happy to bow to the wishes of the majority. And if someone could fix Otis' inventory, that would be sweet.

I don't know there are any, you just don't get the 'full dialogue benefits' of using that chunk of dialogue. I have never noticed anything in the .dlg files, but then I tend to skip those bits since they look pretty copy-n-pasted.

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Well, I suppose leaving it as an option is okay, for all the reasons those who've responded have listed. It just seems goofy that we're preserving something that was never right in the first place. :shrug:

I do like Spike and Ted's idea of modding the rest of the NPCs - if not Liv's way, then at least in such a way as to make them carry a normal load to begin with.

George, the debate is about putting together an intelligent and cohesive Co8 mod . . . something you've been asking for for a long time.

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Great work, Cerulean!
By the way, I'd like to say that if Toffee 3.1 is released (with Humble NPC support and all), which is likely to happen today or tomorrow (as soon as Shiningted gives it a go and says that there are no critical problems with it), you can include Toffee 3.1 Pro *instead* of the older Toffee 3.0a1 Pro that is included in the original ToEEWB package. That will be a lot better. I'll probably work on integrating the recent v1.7.1 patch and Toffee 3.1 Pro into a single ToEEWB installation package as well, so if I release that you'll be able to use that installation package as a base for your Modding Tools Package.

- Agetian

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Still testing, but no problems so far.

Except damn Cuthbert. I tried practically filling his inventory with different armours, I tried creating the armour in his inventory from his heartbeat file after he has spawned, but he still shows up naked! Nothing in my mod fiddles with him (and nothing of Cujo's touches his armour to my knowledge) so I have no idea why it is happening.

 

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Cool! Let me know once you're done.

Hmm... If you PM or MSN me an overview of the problem I will be willing to look into this, too.
- Agetian