Our installation situation is a disaster - the saga of Co8 4.0.0

bradrinwi · Oct 25, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

a few things firstl defiently a heculean task blue. Ill go and fetch that lion.. and if you have time maybe you can divert a river or something .. and theres this one guy whos been pushing a rock uphill... oh wait never mind

anyways truly awesome ..
and as for allyxs stuff I say in so far with the new typo free version ivehad no CTDs
your milage may vary

theres still a few days til compression right?? maybe make a this space reserved and get a few people testing for ctds and if all give the no CTds then include it otherwise one backspace will remove the reserved space..

so far a 1st now 5th lvl party has had no problems and my uber 15-20th lvl guys no problems ..
havent tested bard or monk yet..

and i hate to see sorcerer/bard but thats a known issue..

Morpheus · Oct 25, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Cerulean the Blue said:

Perhaps instead put them in a stickied thread here and then have the known bugs section in the release notes send people to that thread.
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Alternatively, we could just link the thread on the Atari boards.

Gaear · Oct 25, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Morpheus said:

Alternatively, we could just link the thread on the Atari boards.
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I think that would be better. The bug list and all associated testing and discussion ranges over something like 10 pages.

Cerulean said:

I knew there was more to it than that, I just didn't know what. Send me the list and I will put it in.
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zhuge on the Atari forums said:

Moebius has tackled many dll related issues and makes constant updates at http://www.jadri.com/temple.zip
I took his readme (last modified on 26/10/04), rearranged the fixes by category and tried to link each fix with the associated bug in the buglist.

The list of fixed bugs (which total about 34) so far are:
3, 10, 25, 55, 63, 65, 67, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 101, 103, 104, 106, 107, 110, 112, 122, 168, 182 (partial), 225, 226, 227, 254, 306, 355, 356, 371, 401, 403, 471, 541

The details are given below:

GENERAL:
Bug 541 fix:
o The DirectX 9.0c looting bug appears to be patched. It's not a real fix... not really.
o The ntdll.dll bug was sort of bashed out of existence. I left a dangling file handle. Maybe. It's about on par with the DX9.0c fix.
o Left-clicking on a party member should now correctly select them again. (Caused by the original loot bug fix.)

Bug 471 fix:
o Grank's bandits in the Water node should no longer cause a CTD.

RACE:
Bug 10 fix
o Halflings should now get the +4 Hide modifier due to small size

SKILLS:
Bug 225 fix
o Can now increase the rank of non-class skills of the class being leveled up to the maximum rank possible if the skill is a class skills of another of your classes.

Bug 226? fix and Bug 227 fix
o Base intelligence now used for calculating skill points.

Bug 355 fix
o Half point skill ranks should now display correctly in the level up dialog.

Other skill fixes not noted as bugs in the numbered buglist
o Odd bug with regards to raising intelligence on level up - would occassionally not give you an extra skill point even if you should've gotten one - but required that you had previously selected another stat as your attribute to be raised, and then selected intelligence. Should be fixed.
o Can no longer raise skills if you have negative skill points. (Okay, it didn't happen that often, and it wouldn't actually let you finish leveling up if you did have negative skill points, but it was still a bug.)

CLASS:
Bug 371 fix
o Strength domain added to St. Cuthbert, as per manual

Bug 65 fix
o Stunning Fist now has (monk_level) + (non_monk_levels / 4) charges per, well...rest period, probably. Used to be (level) number of charges.

Bug 67 fix
o Class skills of cleric domains are now properly treated as actual class skills whenleveling up cleric.
o Class skills of cleric domains are now always correctly treated as class skills for the purposes of calculating the maximum rank possible, even when not levelingup cleric.

Bug 63 fix
o Barbarians now retain their +10 movement while wearing medium armor.
o Barbarians no longer maintain their +10 movement while heavily encumbered.

Bug 403 fix
o Nature Sense should now actually work.

Other class ability fixes not noted as bugs in the numbered buglist
o Monk special abilities (Flurry of Blows, Monk AC Bonuses, and Fast Movement) no longer apply while monks are medium or heavily encumbered.
o stat_level_get(stat_load) and get_base_stat(stat_load) changed. Previously, they returned 3 for lightly encumbered and 1 for medium and heavily encumbered. Now they return 1 for light, 2 for medium, and 3 for heavy encumberance. It doesn't appear as if anyone was using these functions, so changing them should have no effect.
o Monk and Barbarian Fast Movement bonuses split. Monk Fast Movement bonus is treated as an enhancement bonus (as per PHB 3.5), and thus does not stack with Haste or Expeditious Retreat. Barbarian Fast Movement is treated as an unnamed bonus, and thus stacks with Expeditious Retreat. Haste does not work correctly with it yet.

INTERFACE:
o Selecting an attribute to improve during level up will now clear your feat selection choices. This was done as the simplest way to avoid invalid feat selections. (I.e., raise your strength to 13, pick power attack, and then raise some other attribute.)

FEATS:
Bug 3 fix and Bug 25 fix and Bug 92 fix
o Power Attack will only apply the attack penalties if you are wielding a non-light weapon, or your primary attack is unarmed. Theoretically, if monks are ever capable of doing unarmed strikes even while armed, Power Attack should more or less always be on, but they're not, so it's not. Now to fix damage.

Bug 91 fix
o Power Attack should apply a x1 damage bonus to unarmed attacks and one-handed weapons when either an off-hand weapon is used or a shield is used. Light weapons get no damage bonus, and any other case gets a x2 damage bonus.

Bug 93 fix
o You should no longer be able to take Power Attack at creation if you have a Strength of 12 (or any other strength dependent skill.)

Bug 103 fix
o Craft Magical Arms and Armor now correctly sets the xp cost for crafting an already magical weapon. Why exactly the GP costs and XP costs are calculated using different algorithms, I'll never know.

Bug 101 fix
o Craft Magical Arms and Armor now correctly recognizes magical shields as valid targets. For some odd reason, "Shield Enhancement Bonus" wasn't a valid type of effect for CMA&A before.

Bug 106 fix and Bug 107 fix
o Skill Focus(Perform), Skill Focus(Survival), Skill Focus(Tumble), Skill Focus(Use Device) should work and give +3 modifiers to the appropriate skill

Bug 356 fix
o Skill Focus feats now display correctly on the adding up your skill total screen

Bug 95 fix
o You should no longer be able to take Quick Draw at creation if you do not have a BAB of +1.

Bug 55 fix
o Weapon Focus, Weapon Finesse, and other skills that rely upon a weapon proficiency will now recognize new weapon proficiencies you pick up when you multi-class into another class.
o Rapid Reload and any other feats (are there any?) that rely upon having a crossbow proficiency are now selectable when you multi-class into any other class than a druid. Druid/fighters rejoice!
o Bug introduced by the MWP fix in handling Exotic Weapon Proficiencies fixed.

Bug 104 fix
o Widen spell should work.
o Widen Spell now boosts spell level by three instead of one. May or may not actually do anything though.

Bug 110 fix
o Extend spell should work correctly. (Note to spell writers - it'll be applied each time you have a line like "spell.duration = x". Keep this in mind - saying "spell.duration = spell.duration" could have unintended effects.)

Bug 94 fix
o Fixed Greater Spell Focus. GSF and SF were using the same function (reasonable - each can be seen as adding a stackable +1 DC to the appropriate spell). Unfortunately, the function only correctly determined if the appropriate school was being used for SF and GSF.
o A character with multiple Spell Focus or Greater Spell Focus feats should now have the correct +DCs.

Other feat fixes not noted as bugs in the numbered buglist
o Bardic spells may no longer use the silent spell feat.
o Metamagic feats should now be stackable (except still spell, silent spell, maximize spell and quicken spell).
o Fixed a bug inserted by the metamagic changes - any metamagic feats were increasing the a spell's effective level. Should be limited to Heighten Spell now.

SPELLS:
Bug 401 fix
o You can now use a higher level spell slot to memorize a spell. Go 20+ magic missiles!
o Replacing a higher level spell slot that has been used to hold a lower level spell with a spell of the correct level no longer requires closing and reopening the spell memorization interface.
o Sorcerers and Bards can use higher level spell slots to cast lower level spells. (This will again correctly deduct a higher level spell usage. I should also note that it will *always* use a higher level spell slot if no lower level spell slots are available.)
o Spell DCs are now correctly calculated - using a higher level slot will no longer boost the DC of the spell, normally. If Heighten Spell is used, the level of the slot will be used, then any non-Heighten Spell meta-magic feats will be deleted, and the remaining spell level will be used. (I.e., let's say you heighten a Magic Missile. And you decide to Empower it also. That gives it a base level of four. Now let's say you stick in a level five spell slot - since the spell is Heightened, it gets treated as a level three spell for DC purposes (5 - 2(Empower) = 3). Of course, this is moot, since there isn't a saving throw associated with Magic Missile.) Note: There is no way to partially Heighten a spell (i.e., say only Heighten it by one spell level, but place it in a spell slot two levels higher) - there isn't enough information about how the heighten worked to do this. (*Why* you'd want to do this is another question entirely.) (primary attribute limitations - that's why)

Bug 112 fix
o Deleteing meta-magiced spells should no longer be as screwy. (The old code only overwrote it with the last spell on the spellbook list - this should actually delete it.)
o The memorization list had those nifty meta-magic colored ball thingies so you can tell if you really maximized that fireball or not. Won't show up on your spell casting radial menu though.

Bug 122 fix
o Spells memorized using the specialist spell slots should now stay there. (Note: if you're loading up an old game, you'll have to replace the spells in your specialist slot (at which point, they'll be flagged as belonging to that level's specialist spell slot, and everything should go fine.))
o Spells memorized using specialist slots should now be correctly debited.

Bug 168 fix
o Resurrecting level one characters with constitution boosts should now correct subtract two constitution points. (Amusingly enough, it was taking the *current* constitution, subtracting two, and setting the *base* constitution to that. It's entirely possible that dying while wearing a +6 con item, and then being raised would give you a bonus to constitution. This amuses me.)

Bug 182 partial fix
o Modded Spiritual weapon, so that it's BAB is equivalent to the caster's BAB. ...wisdom bonus is not being added yet, because I'd like to figure out how to correctly handle DR issues first. So, still mostly broken.

Other spell fixes not noted as bugs in the numbered buglist
o My weird variant of level dependent spell maximums installed. You'll need to install the Chain Lightning, Magic Missile, Scorching Ray, Heat Metal, and Rage spell rules that come with this. The basic setup is for the new max_Targets is, a positive number is a fixed maximum, 0 is max_Targets = caster's level, and otherwise max_Targets should be set to -abc where the max_Targets of the spell is the minimum of "a" and "((caster's level) + c) / (b + 1)". So, Magic Missile would have a max_Targets of -511 (min(5, ((caster's level) + 1) / (1 + 1)))) Incidentally, this will fix the 1 magic missile on levels 11 and up bug.
o Haste now provides an enhancement bonus of min(30, target's base speed) to movement. This means that it will not stack with Monk's Fast Movement, but will stack with Barbarian's Fast Movement. Furthermore, it will no longer cap movement at 2 x base speed. Note, that it's the Barbarian's base speed unmodified by Fast Movement that's used. Hasted Dwarven Barbarians move at 50.

ITEMS:
Bug 306 fix
o Longspear has been added to the list of simple weapons, and removed from the list of martial weapons. The MWP (longspear) feat has been disabled. Also added longspear to SWP (rogue) and SWP (bard). Why exactly there are six different SWP variants... (okay, okay, I know they wanted a cleaner looking feat list.)

Bug 254 fix
o Potion of Super Heroism should work.

ADDITIONS:
o Scorching Ray added.
o Updated spell.mes so Co8 3.0.4's description of Scorching Ray is in, added a description to Greater Heroism.
o Greater Heroism spell added.

CORRECTIONS AND ASSOCIATED MODIFICATIONS FOR LEVEL CAP REMOVER AND LEVELS > 10
o duggelz's level uncapper installed in this version.
o Resurrection xp penalties should now work up to level 20.
o Greater Flurry (well, the improved version of Flurry of Blows at level 11) should now work.
o Ki Strike should now add the adamantium damage type at level 16.
o Open Hand Damage for monks should now scale up to level 20. Also, open hand damage for large sized monks should be correctly calculated.
o Unarmed Damage for non-monk enlarged medium sized creatures should now be 1d4. (May have been 1d3 before. Not sure.)
o Fast Movement should scale up to level 20 for monks, and Monk and Barbarian Fast Movements should stack.
o Fixed a bug created by the monk feat changes, whereby feat_* names weren't available for Python scripts. So if you weren't starting out with weapons that you'd taken feats in, that was why. Probably. And it also explained why the Flame Strike script was crashing.
o Diamond Body added. (Copy of Venom Immunity)
o Diamond Soul added. (Modded version of Spell Resistance)
o Abundant Step feat name added. (Doesn't do anything)
o Quivering Palm feat name added. (Doesn't do anything)
o Empty Body feat name added. (Doesn't do anything)
o Perfect Self feat name added. (Doesn't do anything)
o Forge Ring and Craft Staff are in. No actual items for you to craft, but it's the thought that counts, right? (And they're now set with the right feat requirements. Forgot to change them back after testing. Meh.)
o Paladin Smite Evil should now be usable the appropriate number of times per day at levels ten and higher.
o Paladin Remove Disease should now be usable the appropriate number of times per week at levels ten+.
o Sorcerer's (and probably Bard's) spell selection screens should no longer be screwy looking when gaining level six+ spells.
o Can actually use level six+ spell slots for the correct level when choosing spells on level up.
o Level six+ spells should now show up on the radial menu. Now someone just needs to write higher level spells.
o Meta-magic effects can now raise a spell to level 9
o The left side of the spell book should now go up to spell level nine. Not that there are any level nine spells for you to know. Heck, I don't think there's even a chain lightning scroll.
o Chain Lightning, True Seeing, and whatever the other sixth level spell is are now correctly indicated as being sixth level spells during the add spells dialouge when leveling up.
o Monk/Barbarians (all two of them) will still get their +10 movement even while wearing armor. I think. I didn't actually have a Monk/Barbarian to test this out with.

REMOVED MODIFICATIONS:
o Flurry of Blows no longer works with a non-monk weapon wielded in the off hand - on further consideration, I'm removing this - according to the 3.5 FAQ, it should work. Heck, Flurry of Blows should work even if the primary weapon is a non-monk weapon.
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Wow, that was a long-ass post. Sorry. :errf:

p/s - <sigh> How I long for the days of .dll hacking without ego management . . . :shame:

Gaear · Oct 26, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Blue said:

What say you all? Is Allyx's latest stuff in or out?
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What's the word, Allyx, is this stuff stable? I'm not in a position to test it.

Cerulean the Blue · Oct 27, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Gaear said:

I think that would be better. The bug list and all associated testing and discussion ranges over something like 10 pages.
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Give me the link and I will put it in. I never go to the Atari boards.

Re: Bugfix list for moebius' temple.dll - When was it released? Does it contain fixes from earlier Co8 releases, or was it incorporated into them? Some of the things in the list you posted are identical, word for word, to things in the release notes of earlier Co8 releases, going back as far as v1.1.0. I am at a loss as to how to interpret this. Please advise.

Edit: So far only one person has voiced any sentiment about whether or not to include Allyx's latest stuff. Since we have had no objections, and the only tester to post says it's not messing anything up, I am inclined to include it. In fact, I'm going to go work on that now.

Cujo · Oct 27, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

I havn't been able to do much lately so I'v got no idea if its good or not. I've got to do some testing to do today on other things and it'll have to be released later when I know whats what.

Gaear · Oct 27, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Here's the link to the Atari bug list:

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=388146

Better have a pack of smokes handy if you're going to read it all.

Allyx · Oct 27, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Cerulean the Blue said:

Since we have had no objections, and the only tester to post says it's not messing anything up, I am inclined to include it. In fact, I'm going to go work on that now.
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Thanks Cerulean, I still need near duplicate scripts for the other familiars - you know what to do.

Cerulean the Blue · Oct 28, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

The release is ready to go. I'm sending it to Morpheus tomorrow. The contents are listed in a separate thread started by Krunch. Unfortunately, Allyx and I and others are still working on Allyxs new spells, so they are not in 4.0.0. I expect they will be released shortly, along with some new stuff by Cujo, and perhaps Darmagon.

I think 4.0.0 does a pretty good job of wrapping up all the major releases here since 3.0.4 came out. Let's not wait so long until the next one. I say 6 months tops.

I would like to thank eveyone who assisted me in putting this together, and for the support they gave me. A special thanks to Gaear, without whom I probably would have given up on this project.

Gaear · Oct 28, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Good work, Blue.

I have what is hopefully my last irritating question: any chance we could make an installer package that includes just Co8 3.0.4 and moebius, so that the "I only want rules and bug fixes" crowd could be silenced? We could call it Co8 3.0.5, and consider it a current release alongside 4.0.0. Maybe take out Burne's Puzzles too, since it's a new content mod.

4.0.0 = fixes and new content

3.0.5 = just fixes

:shrug:

Morpheus · Oct 28, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

The installer package is almost finished. Should I send it just to a few select people for testing purposes (beware elitism! ), or link it here as an official Release Candidate?

As for separating new content and fixes, this has already been discussed several times. The problem is that a lot of files contain both. Someone would have to go through literally hundreds of files and decide which is which. I don't see that happening.

krunch · Oct 28, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

I'll play ToEE and be a tester this weekend. You could post it, unofficially, in this thread for a short time, such as, this weekend.

Cerulean the Blue · Oct 29, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Great news Morpheus!

I think we can go ahead and post it as a release candidate. To my knowledge, the only part of it that hasn't already been tested extensively is the changes to the Hezrou Stench, and I see no reason why those changes would introduce additional problems.

As for separating fixes and new content, Liv's mod contains so many fixes that it would be a diservice to not include those in a "fixes" patch. But seperating out those fixes from the new content would be a task not even I am up to. Thanks to ShiningTed's response to Orion, we have been able to make DH an optional install. It is only the addition/removal of two files to enable/disable it (really only one file, but I used both per Ted's instructions to be on the safe side). As for the other new content, I have yet to hear anyone say that they played both and prefered the game without it.

Gaear · Oct 29, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Be advised, the Co8 4.0.0 RC1 installation package upload effort is experiencing technical difficulties. The length of the delay is uncertain at this time. Please stand by. aper:

CatBoris · Oct 29, 2005

Re: Our installation situation is a disaster

Cerulean the Blue said:

...and I see no reason why those changes would introduce additional problems.
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Famous last words.:tombstone

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