Need help fixing 2 useless characters (Bard & Cleric)

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  1. blackjack

    blackjack Member

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    Thanks everyone. My next question is how is this game not the greatest selling game of all time!?!? I know the reasons...I'm just saying...wow they dropped the ball on this title.

    Possible SPOILER************


    Unrelated question. I don't want a spoiler but I'm unsure if I'm infiltrating or being evil for helping Romag in the Earthen Temple. Without spoilers could I get a hint?
     
  2. Goshi3156

    Goshi3156 Dire Badger

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    Romag is Chaotic Evil. Don't be too hasty in delivering judgment to him though. You may regret it ;)

    IIRC doing his quests will make any Paladins in your group fall. They're not necessary to completing the game so don't feel too pressured into finishing them.
     
  3. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    Sort of doable. But Tank and Healer are JOBS, not characters. Being better at one means being less good at at the other. They aren't exclusive, of course.

    My point is to change how the existing charecter is being used on a situation to situation basis. It may be as simple as choosing the path the character takes to the place he needs to be to heal. I've already suggested keeping a formation that allows the "healer" to move short distances out of melee range in order to be more efficient.

    I'm not going to comment on having a healer who's good at absorbing damage AND mobility in melee AND concentration AND evasion AND... :p
     
  4. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    But, but ... I've seen that guy. He had on blue tights and wore a cape with a "S" on it!

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  5. Gehennis

    Gehennis Established Member

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    Some guys get better after dying- and several reboots...:)
     
  6. blackjack

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    Ok...what feat(s) would be good for my Bard's 9th Level?
    She currently has SF:Enchantment, GSF, Spell Pen, GSP
    I already have 2 Wonderous Crafters so that is out.
     
  7. nyarlathotep

    nyarlathotep Merry Murder Maniac

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    Since your bard has a high dex, he might benefit from Weapon Finesse (if he uses a finessable weapon). Otherwise, you might want to take Dodge or a Weapon focus/Specialisation? If you still have trouble with your scrolls, maybe take Magical Affinity to up your Use magic Device skill.
    Or maybe take Improved Initiative?

    Or what you could do also, is taking up a Metamagic skill. With Heighten spell, the Save DC's for your spells will become higher, thus they will become more potent. Extend spell will make your spells have a longer effect (ie, your jokes become lethal :p )
    As a Bard is a spontaneous caster, they tend to benefit more from MeMaFeats as "preparing" classes. Not only will you extend the contents of your spellbook, but you can choose to use an altered spell or a vanilla spell on the go. (Mind you, you will still have apply the metamagic feat to the spell out of combat to get access to it, but once you do it, you're good for the rest of your career)
    One thing you have to know is that altered spells take longer as vanilla spells. Only a 5ft step is allowed before or after the casting of such a spell.
     
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  8. Oleg Ben Loleg

    Oleg Ben Loleg Established Member Supporter

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    There were some good advice on how to use spells by an bard. My 11 lvl Bard has made some mistakes in choosing rather bad spells. Is there a way to delete spells from the bardic spell list and exchange them with new ones. I just leveld up, did not get any new spells but tried to get some new spell in exchange for my old useless ones in my spellbook. Didn't work unfortunatly.
     
  9. General Ghoul

    General Ghoul Established Member

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    Yes, I have changed out some of Zaxis' spells. I think you can do it when you gain a new level of spells.
     
  10. Oleg Ben Loleg

    Oleg Ben Loleg Established Member Supporter

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    That's what I tried. Right clicking on the new spells and the one in the spell book, delete, click and shift, nothing worked. Do you remember how you did it?
     
  11. Nightcanon

    Nightcanon Garrulous Halfling

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    I haven't been able to swap spells with Zaxis during level up either: have tried R a.d L clicking, and dragging new spells to slots, to no avail.
     
  12. hellblazer

    hellblazer Established Member

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    You can change one spell when you learn a new level spell for the first time. The spell must be be levels lower than the new spell you just learned. A 6th level sor can switch out 1 0 or 1st level spell. A 8th level sor could swap a 0-2nd level spell.
     
  13. Oleg Ben Loleg

    Oleg Ben Loleg Established Member Supporter

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    Man that's pretty restrictive. Since I did not know that, I think it's definetly not in the manual, I have now quite useless lvl4 spells, that I can change when? when I'm lvl 42 or what?
    OK next time I choose a sorc or bard: Deep, deep consideration about the spells i select when leveling up.
     
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    When playing a sorcerer, the best thing is to decide his role before the game starts and preselect what spells you will take at each level. This also makes choosing feats easier. Will he be straight artillery? a buffer? a charmer? Will he specialize in crowd control? Mages can do it all with their unlimited spell selection and scribe scroll ability, sorcerers take serious prior planning.
     
  15. Legless

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    when I use fighters I tend to have 2 or 1 Barbar +1 ftr. They are in effect my shield wall, they block entry ways standing toe to toe with opponents. My healer stands directly behind...healing(thats why I get him/her/it in the first place, also to take out undead) and behind them are my rogue with longbow (as soon as possible) and Wiz or Sor using area effect spells. This is avery useful tactic at low level as rog and sor can't use decent armour and are easily killed off
     
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