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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Scryler, Jan 13, 2009.

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  1. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    I kinda like Joan Baez's song to him: "Diamonds and Rust". But, I'm not a huge fan of folk music. I love her voice, though.
     
  2. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    I don't know if they change names of songs outside the US, but that's not it.

    It's on the 'Planet Waves' album...a relatively obscure album for Dylan...just plain 'Dirge,' I think.


    Starts off: 'I hate myself for loving you...'
     
  3. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    If Dylan thought that and couldn't quit her, then Joan Baez must have been an a-hole ... ;)

    Wait, that's supposed to work the other way around. :scratchhe
     
  4. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    Great talent tends to turn things around, hmm?
     
  5. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    Planet Waves is one of the very few Dylan's I don't have - fair enough ;)
     
  6. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    btw Ted, what's with the cats?
     
  7. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    They run KotB.
     
  8. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    Waaaaay over my head.
     
  9. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Care to elaborate, Ms. Subtlety? I wouldn't want to jump to any erroneous conclusions. :cool2:
     
  10. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    Oh...ahh...it's mayhap related to the...um...burnishing issue. Or not.
     
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  11. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    I see, I see. You must devote a lot of energy to thinking these things up. ;)
     
  12. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    Perhaps...........not.

    The well is deep.

    One can taste the water...or fall in.

    Sometimes the water rises to meet the drinker, with no calling.

    And surprises everyone.

    Edit: The thread muse?
     
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  13. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    I'll say. I don't know what any of that means, but it sounds pretty nice.

    Which incidentally leads to another music-related question: how does one determine value in art? It's all essentially subjective, I'm quite sure, with one thing appealing to one person and another thing not appealing to the other, and yet we can all be 'right' at the same time. How?

    I don't really like Bob Dylan, for example, and yet I'm not prepared to declare that he universally sucks.
     
  14. Scryler

    Scryler Night's Wordsmith

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    Random thoughts. Not sure they address what you are asking.

    Speaking about music, imo, because the music calls to something in us...depending on where we are (in our head, experience, feelings).

    Groups generate energy. You can ride on that energy. The bigger the group, the more powerful the energy. It can be a back and forth thing (synergy? not sure of the word, here) and quite heady. I think most musicians know that.

    As music is aural...other art does the same thing using other vehicles/senses.

    An artist, imo, can draw not only upon their own experience, but on the universal consciousness, as well. The more they can do that, the more people they reach. Like I said, synergy.

    But I am not a musician. There are a few on the boards...at least one anyway (Hello, maggit?). And Ted knows a lot about music. Hopefully, they will post.
     
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  15. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    Value is ALWAYS relative. It's not even constant over time for one person. In other words, it is pure opinion. If value were an objective criteria, it wouldn't change.

    If you buy some gum at a store for a buck, it is because you think the gum is worth more. They sell it because they think it is worth less than your buck. These differences of opinion drive our economies.

    Right and wrong apply only to objective criteria. 2 + 2 = 5 is wrong. Whether or not some work of "art" is good is utterly opinion. As is it's value.

    You can create an "objective" measure of value like "fair market value". But that is simply an aggregate of many opinions.

    Okay, WAKE UP! There will be a test over this on Monday. Class Dismissed. :pirate:

    Truism: No one else will love your favorite music as much as you do.

    Don't let it hurt your self-esteem. It means you are unique. ;)
     
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