Janiva Magness - The Devil Is An Angel.WMV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2yfGX9E7Qk Janiva Magness - Don't Let Your Memories http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3SzkgkMong&feature=related Janiva Magness - You Were Never Mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tYH7tLMbts&feature=related
I checking out mindsedge on youtube, wandered into Polish Metal bands, them trekked up to Finland where I discovered this band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HMWBsgURs&feature=channel
Bob Dylan - Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEwix-Zi0zw
I know this is an old post, but I HAD to point out the misconception. I used to be a goth kid when I was 14 so I know something about it. There's obviously the "posers" who do it for the reaction, even if that makes zero sense. The ones who are really into it are usually just recovering from shitty life events and ARE indeed "grim". Then there are those who are into it for the culture - music, poetry, nihilism, what have you; I mostly was, because I couldn't stand the pop-culture. As for listening to sad music when you're down... It depends. It makes sense, because music should match the mood. But, sad music when you're blue makes you dwell on it, which could either help you come up with a solution, or get even more deeply depressed. So maybe something neutral would be more appropriate. Over the recent years, I prefer something more aggressive for those days, so I go for depressive black metal. Both DBM and goth encourage introversion, but goth is more about self-loathing while DBM is more about hate towards the f*cked-up world, and hate actually provides motivation rather than just make you wallow in depression. Music relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrB1B4QiBCg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMk9D6-S_E0
Far be it from me to judge the goth kids, but I just wonder how many of them really have had shitty life events. Some kids have had it bad, sure, but 'bad' for the genuinely unfortunate is something really bad, like abuse, deaths of parents, etc. And being as that stuff doesn't happen to most kids, I suspect that what instead qualifies for most goths is dissatisfaction, disaffection, unhappiness with parents' social status ("my dad makes too much money!"), and just general teenage angst. In other words, it's not really legit as genuine misfortune (ask a kid with cancer if he feels sorry for them) and not so different from what all teens experience at some point when they set foot outside the nest on their journey to independance. I'd have more sympathy for a kid who didn't have the allowance money with which to buy his goth outfit and get his hair dyed and buy goth records. I do understand the need for kids to express their rebellious impulses at some point, so more power to them if that's the way they want to do it. But I'll never think, "What a dark and edgy kid ... I'm impressed!" when I see them. :blank: They would never listen to me, of course, but if I could give them a tip it would be that they'd get more deference by showing bravery and good will in the face of adversity rather than self-conscious pleas for sympathy and attention.
I do not know about bravery, for a common kid is not likely to be in the need of displaying it, but for the "good will" part I agree. I'd also prohibit hair-dyeing for everyone!
^ Indeed. Hair-dying is for the weak. I've got beautiful natural hair so I don't give a damn. Gaear, you're right, it's mostly the regular "angsty teenager" stuff. That doesn't mean the emotions aren't genuine, even if the reasons seem petty looking back. But hey, at least it gets you to think about stuff beyond "baaw I'm so sad and angsty". Considering that goth subculture encourages introversion, I don't think many would care what you think so long as you leave them alone. That's kind of the point of the weird clothing and makeup (the way I understand it anyway). When I was 14 I didn't have the money for a goth outfit so I wouldn't know Anyway, here's an awesome song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQmJ1e1QD8 This band/project is so great that I still listen to them for the music even if I haven't been into the whole goth thing for a while.
By bravery I just mean not self-pitying. e.g., if you suffer a bad turn you shrug it off and move on, not wallow in self-pity. I'd be much more impressed by a kid who got run over by a bus saying "Hey, shit happens, wrong place wrong time," etc. rather than screaming "Why me?! It's not fair!" This goes for adults too, but they generally don't put on goth costumes in order to communicate their sadness when life deals them a crappy hand. They already know the world doesn't care anyway and they're probably too preoccupied with RL concerns to have much time for such things even if it did. Think brave-kid-cancer-survivor. I'd accomodate them in any way I could, but a self-pitying kid who feels bad because the world is 'unfair' or his dad just doesn't get him or something? Not so much.
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't really matter what the society thinks. The point is to identify with a group of people who share the same characteristics, here teenager angstiness. Then you kind of fuse your personal emotions with the general message that the society sucks, promoting individualism, learning to accept the pain. It helps you wrap your head around the "the world doesn't care" truth rather than wallow in the "why me?" self-pity. I think you're confusing goth with emo at this point. I do agree with you that the people getting over more serious physical trauma having to deal with the emotional issues at the same time is more impressive. That's beside the point though. Goth is about world perception, not about trying to look "dark". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1XKtmUS-jY
No Goth here. Emo? Don't think so. Reba McEntire - If I Were A Boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQgYYnvroyg Chris Young - Tomorrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSox8OY8mI
The Wreckers - Leave The pieces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdFMpSWcHfM&feature=related The Wreckers - Cigarettes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMYi8E5MhFo&feature=related
