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Discussion in 'The Temple of Elemental Evil' started by Livonya, Apr 6, 2005.

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  1. Livonya

    Livonya Established Member

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    I found the problem. Troika made a mistake and used this creature as a random encounter monster. So if you kill any Giant Viper in the game then you are setting the flag that tells Romag that the snake in the kitchen is dead.

    Here is what I need to fix this.

    Can you tell me the map name that the kitchen with the Giant Viper is on?

    It would be IDEAL if you could go to this location and open the console and type:

    game.leader.map

    This will give you the map # and then I can fix it so this snake is unique... and thus it will fix the quest.

    - Livonya
     
  2. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Your installation looks goofy. You should have Co8 3.0.4 installed after Atari 2; you should definitely not have Atari 3, but Atari 2; if by "2.0 NOCD ToEE.exe" you mean some kind of no-cd crack, then who knows what kind of problems that may be causing.
     
  3. magao

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    Co8 3.0.4 was the only question left (as I stated, originally I had Co8 plus Atari 3).

    The nocd crack simply removes the SafeDisc (or whatever, I've gone blank) from the ToEE executable. I've confirmed the same symptoms without the nocd crack. All the smarts in ToEE are in the dlls (as of patch 1).
     
  4. magao

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    Definitely no resurrections, and the same thing happened in two installation scenarios - clean install, atari 3, Co8 3.0.4, livonya, and then clean install, atari 2, livonya. Different characters, all starting brand new games. I'll try to narrow down exactly when it happens. In both cases I noticed it around Nulb.

    Sorry - a spell effect that has accidentally become permanent (in my case, gust of wind). Removed the spell effect by visiting Jaroo, but the map slowdown symptom remains. Probably not fixable.
     
  5. Zebedee

    Zebedee Veteran Member Veteran

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    5066 is the map number.
     
  6. Livonya

    Livonya Established Member

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    First of all, you have atari 3 installed.

    You need to get rid of that.

    Start over with instal but don't instal Atari 3.

    Until someone else also sees this problem then I am just going to have to ignore it.

    I simply have not had this happen and no one else is reporting it.

    That is a major problem, and if it was happening other people would be reporting it... which I realize doesn't help you, but I have no way to address your problem.

    There really isn't anything I did that could be causing your problem with experience loss.

    I don't know what to tell you.

    If you get more information then let me know.

    - Livonya
     
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  7. Livonya

    Livonya Established Member

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    Okay, I think I have it fixed.

    Once I post the changes you can give it a try.

    The only problem is that this correction will only work for new games.

    If you already killed a random Giant Viper then the save-game is unfixable with regards to this bug.

    - Livonya
     
  8. Zebedee

    Zebedee Veteran Member Veteran

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    No worries - was planning to start another beta testing game from scratch with a clean install, just to see if some of the problems one or two posters have mentioned would occur.

    Think the quest gets broken in the Moathouse for most people from the explanation you have given :)


    Minor textual thing which may be WAD:

    Frostbrand is labelled as Greatsword before Identify. Think this should be Magic Greatsword.

    Minor stacking issue which may be WAD or unfixable (and almost certainly not part of Liv's mod):

    Rings of protection seem to have a max stacking effect of +2. Not a D&D PnP so not sure if this is a rules thing or a glitch.

    Bah! I'm a pedant!
     
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  9. magao

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    As I stated, I do not have atari 3 installed. I said it has happened with *both* atari 3 (as I originally installed) and with atari 2 (as I currently have it installed). It's also happened with your mod installed over the top of Co8 3.0.4 and without having first installed Co8 3.0.4. No other mods are involved.

    Absolutely fair - that's why I 'm going to be trying to narrow down where it's happening. It's likely a single script that's being triggered - quite possibly a ToEE bug that's now being tickled by something else.

    Being a software engineer (hey - that's what the job title says, and at my work it's more true than not) I fully understand how hard (and frustrating) incomplete bug reports are (especially if you believe they're not your fault).

    I suspect though that it may be happening to other people, but without them noticing. You don't lose levels, even though you lose more than enough XP for that to happen. The only way to notice it is if:

    1. You happen to look at how much XP you *actually* have;

    2. You try to craft something and can't because you've got negative XP available (that's the way I found it the first time);

    3. You notice that it is taking a lot longer for some characters to level up than others.

    In particular, if it were to happen later in the game (when you're getting and spending XP at a much higher rate) it could easily go unnoticed if it's a limited XP loss.
     
  10. Livonya

    Livonya Established Member

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    No, I agree that it could be there. I am in no way saying you are crazy or wrong.

    The problem is that I need some sort of handle on the problem. So that I can figure out where to start looking for a problem.

    If it is happening then I hope someone will notice it and be able to identify an event that caused the problem and then I will have a starting point.

    thanks...

    - Livonya

    PS: I do know of one thing I did with exp and I am looking to see if I could have intruduced a problem. I have yet to find an example where it caused a problem but I will test it some more. If I find something I will let you know.
     
  11. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    I'll delete my post in a minute, The @alignment evil/good problem? Ok in iten_creation.mes, in the entry for the prerequisite for the Item where it says {"Fcraft wondrous item" "SMagic circle..... ect... I think AGood/AEvil should also be in "Quotation marks".
     
  12. wizgeorge

    wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy

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    Where is Feldrin?

    I've played the airtemple guards fight twice now and their commander Feldrin never appears. His chest is in the guardroom but he never shows up. He had some nice loot and I'm curious as to what has happened. Was he deleted from the game in the mod or is this a bug. Maybe a corrupted install? This is my 2nd newgame after a fresh install.
     
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  13. Livonya

    Livonya Established Member

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    Can you give me more info about what would happen before?

    I didn't do anything to Feldrin, that I know of. So I am not sure why he would not be showing up.

    I looked at his script and I see nothing that would cause him not to appear.

    How would he appear before?

    Did some other NPC trigger his arrival through dialog or something?

    Please give me as much info about what would happen before as possible.

    - Livonya
     
  14. wizgeorge

    wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy

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    Feldrin

    Before, he would appear on the initative bar at the top and come out to the hallway on his turn. Now, he doesn't appear on the initative bar so he never shows up. I'm going to delete everything and re-start, then do a new install. I just tried the watertemple again and there were 7(seven) Juggernauts! Random encounters with 7 ogres. I think i'll start over.
     
  15. wizgeorge

    wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy

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    I quit.

    I started my 3rd install and things just aren't working out. I'm going to move on too something else. Still, too many bugs and hassles. I'll check back from time to time and maybe try again in few weeks or whenever. Get the bugs out.
     
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