Icewind Dale: ToEE - Total Conversion

The problem was in data\mes\stat.mes. Removed the file as T+ has newer version and now works great. Thanks @Sitra Achara !

 

Hmm. I think ToEE vanilla has module variable hardcoded as ToEE.dat. Temple Plus, and more specifically @Sitra Achara, particularly expanded T+ functionality to support separate modules. That was done for SGoS by the way.

The only thing that can be done for vanilla is to zip maps information to ToEE.dat and replace the original. But all files in "data" folder still need to be put into overrides folder.

Sitra actually added ability in T+ to have this override folder as dat file. He called it _core folder\.dat. So for example IWD structure would look like:
\modules\icewind_dale.dat
\modules\icewind_dale_core.dat

That can only work in Temple Plus. So yeah - that would be T+ only module.

 

IIRC vanilla toee had a cmd line switch -mod that was similar to defaultModule config in Temple+. I vaguelly recall there was some associated cludge though, like ToEE hardcoded in some internal search paths (possibly for save games).

 

Question about Orc Cave - should everybody be alerted when starting a fight in the cave? I checked while playing in T+.
Are everybody alerted in vanilla ToEE conversion?

I see that in IWD itself they are not, time: 17:22


It's a problem.

 

I also thought that the constant pulling in of enemies was a good thing, but I acknowledge that it's a departure from the original. (do the IWD caves also play like that in vanilla ToEE?)

I'll probably tone down the "alert allies" thing a little, as it also causes some unintended behavior in the Imeryd's run as well. I suppose longer-range alerting is something that's better left to manual scripting/editing.

 

I briefly looked at scripts in the IWD2 at Shaengarne River map (First Chapter) - it's not continuous but not completely separate as in SGoS either.

Distant Orcs would not join a combat. But they would slowly approach one. And within some distance engage the battle. Such cannot be done literally in ToEE\T+.

I would make the alert much less distance between foes, plus probably check distance to PC as well. The distant foes would not be moving towards the PC during a combat. But after a encounter they would slowly approach (not sure how to make slow though) towards a battle (?), not sure.

This is how it looks ATM:


Additionally I would increase all small and medium creatures radius to 25-30 as I did in SGoS to ensure PC would not be surrounded by 10 Orcs.

 

That's fine @Shiningted. I do not intend to meddle in IWD1-TC project

 

I can remember how this cave went in vanilla IWD. There are a number of groups of orcs and a pull typically pulls the whole group... and the final group has an ogre. Each group was positioned far enough apart to not alert the other groups, if careful. Party level was 1-2.

Ofc, in harder settings such as the HoF mode, it is similar but you just kite and use more summons. This would be the only reason that a constant pull would not be desirable...but this very difficult low-level setting is not a thing in ToEE.

I think the ToEE Welkwood fight with the mass of kobolds would compare. (except the ogre is much more damaging than the kobold leader)

 

I ran IWD HoF with iwd NPC mod, and I quite enjoyed it, even with this difficulty. The NPC characters were reasonably designed and the dialog was fun enough (as good or even better than BG imho ). Up until maybe level 10 it was pretty hard, but after that it's fairly routine. The interactions broke up what could have been a silent slog, otherwise.

But really my point is that even minimal npcs add to the flavor of ToEE and it might be very worth considering for the IWD version.

I'd even go so far as to suggest contacting the authors of the iwd npc and see if they would allow use of a port/conversion of their mod. The dialog takes some artistic effort to create and often the mod authors are thrilled to see their work used, as long as credit is given.

Just throwing that out there fwiw.