fun with corpses

Changing CON from -1 to any positive value could possibly impact [and reverse] things like breaking undead immunity to critical hits and other undead traits.

If someone writes code for a game and were to ask, "How do we define one way to determine if something is undead," the answer should be "It has a negative con."

 

Then give them a con of 1 & see what happens. Technically, anything with that gets 3d6 for stats is dead with a stat of less than 3. Fleshy undead could have a con of 2, boney ones a con of 1, and noncorporeal a 0. If there's anything there at all, it counts for something in the way of physical make-up. If it's all hard-coded, then these ideas are moot.

 

man allyx you're good!

Out of curiosity - could this problem (if allyx's reasoning is correct) also be approached by looking at how resting works? Or is that totally hard-coded into the game.

Some kind of check for constitution score before attempting to apply rested HP would be what i mean.

i'm gonna check out a few more things with commanding - get back to you all soon

 

what about a script that checks for any commanded undead, then destroys them and recreates them (like livs spell permanancy thing) when you rest (or just have it work through dialogue with the undead inquestion).

 

would dialogue with minions be possible?

if thats the case then you could have a 'wakey wakey' dialogue option, and a 'here have these crossbow bolts' option, right?

i romped around the temple with a console-enhanced cleric of obad hai, giving him the air domain (i thought air domain rebuked air and turned earth.... but its the other way round in toee? meh i could be wrong).

Anyways, after commanding a tiny little group of 8 galeb duhr and 2 large elementals (20th level cleric... still seems a bit overpowered heehee), i proceeded to rest repeatedly without getting any sort of paralysis bugginess... which would support the negative Con score theory.

 

giving them a con score of <10 would make undead weaker HP wise as well, giving them a real score also would let them be subject to con drain/damage - is there a way of giving them a score of 10 (no fort save bonus, or hp bonus) but also making them immune to ability damage, so that the outcome is effectively the same as having a non-score?

edit: i mean to say: immune to CON damage/drain

 

Bah! just checked the undead traits - immune to ability drain, cant take str/dex/con damage.


Undead Type
Undead are once-living creatures animated by spiritual or supernatural forces.

Features
An undead creature has the following features.

12-sided Hit Dice.
Base attack bonus equal to ½ total Hit Dice (as wizard).
Good Will saves.
Skill points equal to (4 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die, if the undead creature has an Intelligence score. However, many undead are mindless and gain no skill points or feats.
Traits
An undead creature possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).

No Constitution score.
Darkvision out to 60 feet.
Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).
Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, stunning, disease, and death effects.
Not subject to critical hits, nonlethal damage, ability drain, or energy drain. Immune to damage to its physical ability scores (Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution), as well as to fatigue and exhaustion effects.
Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature’s Intelligence score.
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).
Uses its Charisma modifier for Concentration checks.
Not at risk of death from massive damage, but when reduced to 0 hit points or less, it is immediately destroyed.
Not affected by raise dead and reincarnate spells or abilities. Resurrection and true resurrection can affect undead creatures. These spells turn undead creatures back into the living creatures they were before becoming undead.
Proficient with its natural weapons, all simple weapons, and any weapons mentioned in its entry.
Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, as well as all lighter types. Undead not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Undead are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.

 

ok, i tested it the way ted suggested, by modifying a skeleton proto and consoling it in.

changed 14107 skeleton

made the -1 con score 10 and tested: still got paralysis

made the -1 con and -1 int scores 10 and tested: no paralysis

made the -1 int score 10, left con at -1: no paralysis

methinks allyx got the correct idea but it was int that was the problem

wonder why int is linked to sleeping? something to do with the way ability damage/drain was implemented perhaps?

 

under 14107 skeleton entry there is

bonus type 2 - 'monster plant'

this seems to be under other undead entries as well - since undead some things that plants do:

Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).
Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, polymorph, and stunning.
Not subject to critical hits.

could it be that the monster plant setting controls those things?

 

theres also

OCF_NO_FLEE OCF_MUTE OCF_UNDEAD OCF_UNDEAD OCF_MUTE

under NPC flags col 99





mc_type_undead

under creature type col 163

which could be relevant... maybe? lol :questionm