Fix Suggestion: How to make rogues use ioun stones

i agree with it sounds great to me. i have no idea how to add the feature of the ioun stones floating around the head but it sure would look cool if someone can do it

 

Hey lord high and mighty graywolfe think of your own posts and stop copying me

 

Yes, after all head is better than other slots since head is were items should go. Personally, I would like more the idea of keeping them active in the bag, since a character should be able to use at the same time both an helmet and a magic stone, but I already image henchmen that are selling them at the first shopkeeper. I don't think that keeping them in the bag would really steal so much space. I mean, after all how many magic youn stones a character would really need and how many of them is the player really ready to craft, loosing money and experience?
If you accept an advice, it would be great of you may create one single helmet that works with stones like the golden orb with gems. A nice magic reward....

 

Why?

Having a Bard/Rogue is a great combo and that just makes it really hard on that combo.

I don't see the point in putting the thieves tools there.

- Livonya

 

I guess I'm missing what makes a bard/rogue a great combo. The rogue levels detract from the bard's spellcasting and musical abilities without much benefit while the bard levels don't do anything to really enhance the rogue's abilities and slow his sneak attack progression. Plus, their BAB is absolutely horrible.

 

Massive skill points. Not everyone cares about BAB. BAB isn't that important as there are plenty of other ways to get this than from Class Levels and a bard isn't usually a front line combat character.

Bard's can be all sorts of things and 1 or 2 levels of rogue will help them to be even more jack of all trades... then they can have decent skills in all the communications skills and be decent at rogue type skills... plus offer spell support.

Both bard's and rogues benefit from the same attributes, so Dexterity, Intelligence, and Charisma are helpful to both of them.

The sneak attack can be used with ranged weapons.

To me it seems like a very logical choice, but that is just me. People have their play styles. For instance I would never in a million years have a fighter in my party (unless I hire a fighter NPC). And I would never play without a bard and a rogue or a rogue/bard.

- Livonya

 

I am at work.

How many Ioun Stones are there?

I think the best solution is to make multiple version.

Why not just make duplicates that can go in the Head Slot and Thieves Tools slot.

That makes more sense. You just add that to the crafter description and people can make what they want...

If you want a head one then make a head one.

If you want a thieves tool slot then make a thieves tool one.

Hell you could just duplicate them and make them available for three different slots.

Otherwise, no matter what is done someone won't be happy.

- Livonya

 

ok so...

1. Let bardic instrument and theives tools share the instrument slot. This a bard/rogue will have to swap them occasionaly, but thats it. If possible make theives tools be equipable in both the instrument and belt slots, then it will allow theif/bard multiclassers to use both.

2. Move ioun stones to head, and remove their theives instrument ability. An ioun stone is not a theif's tools, this was a quick and probably temporary workaround that just ended up sticking.

3. Make ioun stones work from backpack, that way you could have more then one of them active. One could be put on the head slot, while the others would work from the pack.

4. Consider making an animation for the stones to float around the head, this would be a really awesome flair.

Now... are there any suggestions I am missing?
I think doing those 4 things would work best. If someone disagrees on any of them, please say so and we could hold a vote.

The reason I am not including other previous solutions is because back then many of those things were not suggested or considered, now that we have this course of action though...

 

Guys, sorry but it wouldn't be more easy to make a second version for thieves tools, named belt thieves tools, instead than many verisons of ioun stones?
Except that for RPG reasons, the main advantage is that ioun stones are 6, thiefes tools just 2 (normal, masterwork). Just copy the raw, change ID, name and allocation and we'll have a bard/rogue (I like it too!) that will be able to equip both instrument and tools, or single class bards and single class thieves that equip both instrument and tools.
it would be even better to make tools to work from backpack like familiars, since I don't see why a thief should keep his precious tools near the belt where they could get damaged more easily in combat than in the backpack.
M.

 

You guys are aware that no amount of scripting would make the Ioun Stones actually float around a character's head? We'd obviously need new item models & animations for that. Until someone manages to figure out how to add those, that's a can't do.