First replay in 15+ years. Some questions.

Discussion in 'The Temple of Elemental Evil' started by JDR13, Aug 9, 2021.

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  1. hammyh

    hammyh Established Member

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    It's actually the sense motive skill that is required. >9. If you have the golden orb, you can use it to cast discern lies for the talker. Or if evil + evil party you get an option to kill her just because you are evil.

    I believe that is a no.

    As I mentioned, the dialog was a bit tricky. I assume you did not attack the tower and you need this dialog option reply by Lareth (I looked it up in the dialog files to be exact):
    after which, you'll ask:
    And then he tells you that he will be a vendor - which occurs after some time interval.

    If you didn't have this particular conversation, he won't be a vendor.

    So...iirc if you ask for gold, the conversation does not include this sequence and he is not a vendor.
     
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  2. JDR13

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    Yeah, I meant Sense Motive. It's hard for me to tell those tiny icons apart.

    Damn. I thought I read somewhere that she eventually returns there and has additional bugbear guards. I'm past that point now so I guess I missed my chance.

    He did give me the "I have misjudged you" speech, but I'm pretty sure the option to ask him for gold was after that.

    Also, I wiped out the brigands before bringing him there, but he made no mention of it.
     
  3. hammyh

    hammyh Established Member

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    I looks like you are correct.

    So if you did get that particular dialog where he tells you he will be a shop now... then it is likely a bug where he doesn't stick around.

    When I did it, I had not been to the tower yet. I had to try a few dialog paths (including one where he did try the ambush). However, looking through the dialog and map states, I can't find any indication that is an essential condition.

    There are 2 apparent conditions: 1. he tricks you into a fight inside and surrenders again=merchant, and 2. leaves party with no incident=merchant.

    If someone knew the easy way to summon/console Lareth with the appropriate dialog file, then you could try that. The global variables should be already set.

    Otherwise, that's all I can tell you.

    Edit: I would have said try the DM client, but the Lareth proto entry is corrupt according to the DM (ie, doesn't work).
     
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  4. JDR13

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    Are any of the temple quests on Level 2 really worth doing? Do you get a signficant amount of XP from them?

    I don't think I ever did any of them back when I originally played ToEE. I feel like maybe I'm missing out by not doing them, but on the other hand, my party is neutral-good so none of the quests really make sense from a role-playing standpoint. The only reason I'm even considering them is because the Water, Earth, and Fire temples are kicking my ass if I try to take them head on. The only one I managed to wipe out was the Air Temple.
     
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    I've never found the xp to be worth(to me at least) the time. For all the Temples I like to bait them into a prepared combat zone
     
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    Just an
    Just an FYI. I discovered that Smigmal Redhand does return to that spot later if she escapes you the first time.
     
  7. hammyh

    hammyh Established Member

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    Good to know. Seems very unwise of her, though. Maybe it is to give the PC a second chance to get her nice loot.
     
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