Debug.txt -- Sorted.. Is yours Like this?

deity_parse: Unparsable Deity Beory
Warning: Abner does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Abner does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Air Temple Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Alira does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Alira does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Alira does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Armario does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Assassin does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Dagger) (adding anyway)
Warning: Balor does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Balor Guardian does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Bassanio does not meet prereqs for feat Code of Conduct (adding anyway)
Warning: Belsornig does not meet prereqs for feat Evasion (adding anyway)
Warning: Bing does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Brigand archer does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longbow) (adding anyway)
Warning: Brigand crossbowman does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Light Crossbow) (adding anyway)
Warning: Brigand footman does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Brigand leader does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Brigand leader does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Brunk does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Critical (Dart) (adding anyway)
Warning: Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Combat Expertise (adding anyway)
Warning: Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Burl Thunderstone does not meet prereqs for feat Greater Weapon Focus (Dagger) (adding anyway)
Warning: Burl Thunderstone does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Dagger) (adding anyway)
Warning: Calmert does not meet prereqs for feat Diehard (adding anyway)
Warning: Calmert does not meet prereqs for feat Spring Attack (adding anyway)
Warning: Caravan survivor does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Caravan survivor does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Countess Tillahi does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Earth Temple Fighter does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Earth Temple Guard does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Earth Temple Lieutenant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Earth Temple Troop Commander does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Battleaxe) (adding anyway)
Warning: Ed does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Eddie does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Elmo does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Erliter does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Ettin does not meet prereqs for feat Greater Two Weapon Fighting (adding anyway)
Warning: Ettin does not meet prereqs for feat Two-Weapon Fighting (adding anyway)
Warning: Falrinth does not meet prereqs for feat Agile (adding anyway)
Warning: Falrinth does not meet prereqs for feat Evasion (adding anyway)
Warning: Falrinth does not meet prereqs for feat Greater Spell Focus (Conjuration) (adding anyway)
Warning: Female Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Female Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Fruella does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Battleaxe) (adding anyway)
Warning: Fuga does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Glabrezu does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Glabrezu Guardian does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Glora Gundigoot does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Grank does not meet prereqs for feat Evasion (adding anyway)
Warning: Grank's bandit does not meet prereqs for feat Two-Weapon Defense (adding anyway)
Warning: Grank's bandit does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Grank's bandit does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Mobility (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear does not meet prereqs for feat Mobility (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Combat Expertise (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Bugbear Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Mobility (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Crossbowman does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Heavy Crossbow) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Crossbowman does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Guard does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Guard Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Ogre Chieftain does not meet prereqs for feat Diehard (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Ogre Chieftain does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Ogre Chieftain does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Specialization (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Greater Temple Ogre Leader does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Grud Squinteye does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Grud Squinteye does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Grurz does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Grurz does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Grurz does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Guardsman does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Hedrack does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Warhammer) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hextor Temple Guard does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Hezrou does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Hezrou Guardian does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Hill Giant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Homa does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Homa does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Hommlet Village Boy does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Hommlet Village Man does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Hommlet Village Man does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Innocent peasant does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Jakk Borton does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Jaroo Ashstaff does not meet prereqs for feat Combat Expertise (adding anyway)
Warning: Jaroo Ashstaff does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Trip (adding anyway)
Warning: Jarvis Hann does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Jarvis Hann does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Kenter Nevets does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Kenter Nevets does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Kobort does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Lamia does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Lamia does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Lareth does not meet prereqs for feat Two-Weapon Defense (adding anyway)
Warning: Large Earth elemental does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Large Water elemental does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Laszlo does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Lieutenant does not meet prereqs for feat Precise Shot (adding anyway)
Warning: Lieutenant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longbow) (adding anyway)
Warning: Lieutenant does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Specialization (Longbow) (adding anyway)
Warning: Lodriss does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Lodriss does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Loralei does not meet prereqs for feat Natural Spell (adding anyway)
Warning: Loralei does not meet prereqs for feat Rapid Reload (adding anyway)
Warning: Lord Mayor of Greyhawk does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Lowen does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)

 

Warning: Lowen does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Lubash does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Lubash does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Mandy does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Mandy does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Marek does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Mary does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Mary does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Mayor's Guard does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Medium Earth Elemental does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Athletic (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Merchant Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Power Attack (adding anyway)
Warning: Murraya does not meet prereqs for feat Combat Expertise (adding anyway)
Warning: Murraya does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Evasion (adding anyway)
Warning: Murraya does not meet prereqs for feat Ki Strike (adding anyway)
Warning: Neukoln does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Non does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Short Sword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Nulb village woman does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Ogavick does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Warhammer) (adding anyway)
Warning: Ogre Chief does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Ogre Chief does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Ophelia does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Ostler Gundigoot does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Otello does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Otis does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Otis does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Percy does not meet prereqs for feat Mobility (adding anyway)
Warning: Phycomid does not meet prereqs for feat Precise Shot (adding anyway)
Warning: Prince Thrommel does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Prince Thrommel does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Raimol does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Rentsch does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Retainer does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Scorpp does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Greatclub) (adding anyway)
Warning: Sef Flettner does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Serena does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Sergeant does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Sergeant does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Sergeant does not meet prereqs for feat Power Attack (adding anyway)
Warning: Sergeant does not meet prereqs for feat Power Attack (adding anyway)
Warning: Shopkeeper does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole's goon does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole's goon does not meet prereqs for feat Mobility (adding anyway)
Warning: Skole's goon does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Specialization (Bastard Sword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Small Earth Elemental does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Smigmal Redhand does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Smigmal Redhand does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Spugnoir does not meet prereqs for feat Craft Magic Arms and Armor (adding anyway)
Warning: Spugnoir does not meet prereqs for feat Craft Wand (adding anyway)
Warning: Spugnoir does not meet prereqs for feat Craft Wondrous Item (adding anyway)
Warning: St. Cuthbert does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: St. Cuthbert does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: St. Cuthbert does not meet prereqs for feat Improved Critical (Heavy mace) (adding anyway)
Warning: St. Cuthbert does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Heavy mace) (adding anyway)
Warning: Sunom does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: the PC Abner has more skill points than they should (has: 28/expected: 26)
Warning: Tolub does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Tolub does not meet prereqs for feat Great Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Tuperello does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Tuperello does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Turnkey does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Valden does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)
Warning: Vrock does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Vrock Guardian does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
Warning: Wicked does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Finesse (adding anyway)
Warning: Witch does not meet prereqs for feat Agile (adding anyway)
Warning: Witch does not meet prereqs for feat Greater Spell Focus (Enchantment) (adding anyway)
Warning: Wizard does not meet prereqs for feat Agile (adding anyway)
Warning: Wizard does not meet prereqs for feat Precise Shot (adding anyway)
Warning: Wizard does not meet prereqs for feat Precise Shot (adding anyway)
Warning: Young acolyte does not meet prereqs for feat Weapon Focus (Longsword) (adding anyway)
Warning: Zert does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)

 

Alright, still getting my feet wet, so mind the slow guy for a little bit ..

The startup complains about the protoss not being pristine... Lots o' warnings as you can see...

If I have nothing better to do, can I clean up the protos, so that there aren't any spell warnings??

But the feats... I'm not so sure about those... Those have to be there for a reason right? But I'm not sure I like the idea of people getting feats without having the stat reqs, either, they get upped stats so they can get the feat, or they don't get the feat... I understand that the module was written under rules from a long time ago... But I'd like to keep exceptions just that... There are way too many of these... they're more like the norm..

Granted, I haven't gotten to the prisoners yet...

....Female Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Cleave (adding anyway)
....Female Prisoner does not meet prereqs for feat Dodge (adding anyway)

But If they fight against the party, I'm okay with upping their stats so they officially qualify for the feats... If they are with the party, (i.e. some sort of "Save the damsel stuff", I'm fine with pulling the feats..)

Anyone else care either way?

 

Yes, I'm getting the same output as well. Thought of mailing Steve about it, but never did it.
Probably a good idea to remove feats which don't fit (or if you prefer, boost those stats a bit so that they qualify in receiving them). It makes things more logical, and I've held to the principle that a DM should be as fair as possible - no fudging rolls and making up feats when there shouldn't be.
So I completely agree with:

Probably a good idea to contact Steve and get his input too so that at least we can say we have the backing of a dev when it comes to being questioned.

Speaking of which, I don't think I've come across Burl Thunderstone before. Might have missed him by not having done all vignettes though... Just curious

 

Cool. I'm going to start with that then.. Simple Protoss work, something to have a scotch and work on for an hour or 2...

For the monsters, and obvious ones, That shouldn't be a problem.. But since I haven't finished the game yet, I'm going to need 2 lists then for the not so obvious ones..

1 list for up stats to qualify for feat.

1 for remove feats Npc doesn't qualify for.

I'll edit my post above with an updated warning list from the debugger.


As for people complaining, the game currently doesn't follow the rules... So we can't leave it the way it is if our mission is to strive for a tighter rules implementation.. They might disagree with our choice of pull the feat, or up the stats...

I'll make a post over at the atari forums..... If people respond and get involved, great. If they don't then, they don't care....point is, it's broken now.

 

I've just about finished removing the extra spell entries from the protos.. But I'm concerned that what we are seeing in the log, is merely a "Double Running" of the protos.tab.. Iow, the second time through is when it starts generating the warnings.


It's not a double running, as there are still spell entries for quite a few NPC's..

I've attached the latest protos.tab


How would you test this? Are these columns the spells they know? I.e. I just removed a whole bit from jaroo... Can I go pick a fight with him and see if he casts call lightning on me?


Also, does it seem that Phalzyr's tool/ the game in general loads faster with this version>?

 

can only attach to new messages.

 

Yes, the columns in protos.tab for spells (starting 312 to 331 represent known spells). strategy.tab governs the order in which actions are taken and what spells are actually cast.
The spell must be first known before it can be functional when referred in strategy.tab so if you try to cast a Fireball from strategy.tab without having a Fireball entry in protos.tab, no spell will be cast and the sequence will skip on to the next action.

I think a bit of documentation would be nice to state each and every change done so that anyone can easily check what was removed/added and to which NPC. That way, any further modifications can be done fairly quickly without needing to refer to the original modder who made the changes.

 

I'll do this, and add it to the zip.

Thats easy. start up ToEE with the 3.0.3 protoss.tab,

grab the spell.c Warning messages.

Thats it. Those are the ones I removed from the protoss.tab

 

Hi guys! I'm back! Actually I'm just reading thru the forums while I'm compiling and wanted to make a comment on this particular thread.

Originally, the message would read.
XXX does not meet the requirement for FEAT and then it wouldn't give the person the feat. A problem arose where occasionally someone would want a monster with an ability, purely for having the ability (which I thought was lame), and there were about 20 or so entries that didn't have their feats in the correct order. Rather than fix those entries, and bump up people's stats so they'd meet the prereqs we just added code to add them anyway.

I'm feeling neutral about the whole situation, and would be happy to switch the code back to enforce the prereq rules as long as we have someone who is willing to go thru all the protos and make sure they are setup correctly.

 

I'm willing to do that. I'm looking for a more tighter to PNP rules implementation.

Another forum user brought up the fact that sometimes monsters get feats without needing the pre-req..

Is that true? I'm not that familiar with 3.5 ed rules.

 

Hmm... not sure either. I think some of the Hill Giants have Cleave but then I believe they also have Power Attack and those feats are according to 3.5e rules and of course they have the Str to support it. Can't really remember a specific instance that has a later feat without having earlier feat prereqs, say for example Weapon Specialization without Weapon Focus.

Since Steve has also spoken, I think we really should devote some attention here, when we can. I mean you can't get better backing than that now can you.

 

Do you have any examples of this? I'm going to start tonight with a few Double IPA's...

Finally got one.

The ettin... According to the SRD:

Superior Two-Weapon Fighting (Ex): An ettin fights with a morningstar or javelin in each hand. Because each of its two heads controls an arm, the ettin does not take a penalty on attack or damage rolls for attacking with two weapons.

Once we turn feat pre-req enforcement on, the ettin will need a dex of 19 to get this.. Unless there are monster feats?


Need some help on this one.. This could be a showstopper. No one's going to like going up against a dex 19 ettin.

 

Some of these are very easy.. As Steve mentioned, they could be just out of order.. Others though I'm not sure about. (Though that may be attributed to the Double IPA's talking)

For example, Abner looks like he's a level 10 Rogue... How could he not qualify for Weapon Finess? Either for Shortsword, or for Dagger?

The SRD says you only need a BAB of +1 to get this feat?

Another is the assassin, a Rogue 6, How can he not qualify for Weapon Focus Dagger? (This one also has a pre-req of BAB+1)


Yet another is the Brigand Archer.. (Fighter 1, WF Longbow, Precise Shot PB shot) The debug is complaining that the Fighter does not qualify for WF longbow... Isn't a long bow a marital weapon, and a fighter gets prof with it for free?


Steve, Could you add Protoss ID to the Debug Warning message? Some of the protoss entries have the same names.. And comments are used to distinguish them.. It can be difficult to ascertain which one of these the system doesn't like.

 

Weapon Finesse/Focus

Well, for fun, I took the debugger through one of the feat failures. The problem isn't in the BAB of +1, the NPC has that, and the code knows it. It's when it tries to check for a weapon proficiency in dagger, that things go screwy.

I'd never actually seen any of the code that it was using to check weapon proficienci-ness, so I can't quite figure out what it was doing, but what seems to happen is that it first checks the size of the weapon (I'm not positive this is correct, but when you've got daggers and gauntlets on one of the scale and longbows and polearms on the other, I'm going to guess that it's related to weapon size) and then queries the NPC object for some information (this via the obj_f_dispatcher field) - at this point I got lost as to what it was trying to do exactly. Not that it mattered, because the NPC didn't actually have a non-NULL obj_f_dispatcher field, so it bailed on the entire thing.

Okay, read a bit more on the PHB - I *think* they're checking if the weapon is light, one-handed, or two-handed, and then modifying that result based on the size of the NPC. Except the function to find the NPC's size - the one that's running into a NULL obj_f_dispatch field - is returning a size of 0, so it figures the weapon is too large. Hence, no proficiency, and no weapon focus.

I might be completely wrong about this though, seeing as how I'm basically making stuff up, with no real supporting evidence. YMMV.