Circle of Eight Modpack v7 / v7 NC General Commentary & Discussion Thread

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  1. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Okay, so when I look at the SRD for, let's say, the Crossbow +1 of Fire, which is a light crossbow with the properties of +1 enhancement and Flaming, and I see this:

    Weapons | Weapon Bonus +1 | Base price: 2000 gp

    Common Ranged Weapons | Crossbow, light | weapon cost: 335 ("Add to enhancement bonus on Table: Weapons to determine total market price" - which is 2000 gp according to the listing above)

    Ranged Weapon Special Abilities | Special Ability Flaming | Base Price Modifer: +1 Bonus ("Add to enhancement bonus on Table: Weapons to determine total market price" - which is 2000 gp according to the listing above)

    - I should not conclude that the price of a Crossbow +1 of Fire is 2000 + 335 + 2000 = 4,335 gp?
     
  2. Daryk

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    Correct, you should not conclude the price is 2000 + 335 + 2000 = 4,335 gp. The correct price is calculated by adding the Base Price Modifier (+1 Bonus in your example) to the enhancement bonus of the weapon (+1 in your example), then consulting the table. So your example would enter the table at a total effective bonus of +2 (8,000 gp), then add the masterwork cost of the weapon itself (335 gp) for a total of 8,335.

    Here's a relevant description from that page in the SRD:
    "In addition to an enhancement bonus, weapons may have special abilities. Special abilities count as additional bonuses for determining the market value of the item, but do not modify attack or damage bonuses (except where specifically noted). A single weapon cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents) higher than +10. A weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus. "
     
  3. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Alright, so you don't add the price of another instance of the plus into the mix, you compound the plus and take that price. Got it, thanks.

    That's probably just a very inconvenient instance of spell permanency.

    There's no reason why it wouldn't work, provided you are going back to a save from before Wakefield left. The fix eliminates his first heartbeat script, which is what is making him go away on new maps. In fact, without that script, it's impossible for him to go away.
     
  4. Daryk

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    Exactly! You're quite welcome.
     
  5. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    While we're on this topic, does anyone know what crossbows of accuracy and bludgeoning are? I don't see those attributes listed in the SRD special abilities, and they are also currently price-free in ToEE.
     
  6. Daryk

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    "Crossbow of Accuracy" is ringing 1st edition bells in my head, but I've never heard of a "Crossbow of Bludgeoning".
     
  7. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    They may be Co8 home brew items.
     
  8. Corwyn

    Corwyn Gnoll Pincushion

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    Playing 7.7 NC, I also encountered same as described. The armies didn't attack at all -- unless I triggered combat mode and attacked them.
     
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  9. Daryk

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    I found 1st edition references to a Crossbow of Accuracy, but nothing since. I think you're right about them being homebrewed.
     
  10. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Okay, none of them actually appear in-game, so I guess we can ignore them. (I'm tempted to delete the protos though - I hate loose ends. ;))

    @Corwyn, that should be fixed in 7.8.
     
  11. phlippy g

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    (7.8) Had the tutorial popup's appear under ground in the welkwood bog.
     
  12. Gehennis

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    In the temple in v.7.8 with a CG party and the reactive temple finally kicked in- and rather nicely at that- but there was just 1 slight problem: the Spiritual Weapons cast by Alrrem and the other cleric in the Fire temple don't attack- they just sort of occupy space and do nothing...

    P.S. not sure if this has been addressed before but the groaning spirit on level 4 of the temple having 1,595,640,117 temporary hit points- Greater Turn Undead got rid of it but the LE party I just ran didn't have this happen to them...
     
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  13. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Okay, I've had enough of the damn tutorial boxes so I'm deactivating every tutorial-related script, deleting the tutorial descriptions, and leaving the vanilla tutorial map numbers empty. I think some of the tut functions are hardcoded because they happen without any scripting, but that shouldn't happen on non-vanilla tutorial maps. I don't think.
     
  14. Barles

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    Just a couple of questions about some of the patch content. What exactly do the major school rings do? Like, Major ring of Evocating? Also, now that I've beaten Zuggy and went to Verbobonc, brother smyth still isn't giving me the quest start for the moathouse respawn. Do I need to do something differently than before?
     
  15. Gehennis

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    The CG alignment has joined those that have beaten Zuggy and Co and I must say that Scather turned out to be a bit of a disappointment. I'd assumed that the unlimited AOO meant that it would allow the wielder to attack any monster passing thru it's attack range. Instead, it acts more like it gives unlimited retaliatory attacks, as you have to get hit in order for Scather to react. Also, monsters with reach attacks negate this ability (duh, I guess :)) as does Stoneskin for some reason (not taking damage prevents Scather from attacking it seems). A minor quibble but it does certainly seem to negate setting up a party/character just for the express purpose of acquiring it. As an aside, I've had several CTD when trying to teleport or even while in combat, due to- I think- having too many active spells (Mass spells, multiple Stoneskins/Protecteion from Energy X, Bless, Haste, Prayer, etc. with Mass Bear's Endurance seeming to have caused it the last 2 times it happened). On to LG and CN...
     
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