Circle of Eight Modpack 5.9.x/5.9.xNC General Commentary & Discussion Thread

I was going to accept this possibility, as it may not be possible to get the new weapons to work with 'weapon proficiency monk' or whatever it's called.

However, then I remembered: this isn't really necessary. In fact, I think it's weird that ToEE handles it that way at all. The engine properly implements individual martial and exotic weapon feats (unlike NWN). And in pen and paper, that's what various races and classes are awarded to give them custom weapon options. I can understand having an 'all martial weapons' proficiency for various warrior classes, so that they don't have 20-some extraneous feats cluttering up the character sheet. But there's really no other reason to have 'weapon proficiency elf' and the like instead of just awarding elves the feats for shortbows, longbows, long swords and rapiers.

So, can you just give monks the "Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Monk Spade)" feat at level 1? Assuming we all agree that they should automatically be proficient in it?

 

Wow, I wasn't expecting that. I guess it's really not designed for extensibility in that area. Ah well.

Edit: Here's a couple dialogue things:

Mother Screng will still sell you "celtic runes" according to the text. I gather from searching that it was decided this should be "mystic" because celts don't exist in Greyhawk, and of course that's the actual item you get.

The woman who will tattoo you in the labor camp calls Burne, "Byrne." Unless she's making fun of his name or something....

 

Here's a few more.

1) Natural spell can be taken at level 3, despite a prerequisite allegedly being the wild shape ability, which druids don't actually get until level 5.

2) For both horn of goodness and white robe of the archmagi, one of the prerequisites are listed as "@-2Alignment: Good". Neutral and evil alignment requirements seem to display fine; I'm not really sure why good displays this way, looking at the mes files.

3) While looking through the meses, I noticed the following line in feat.mes:

for all the other similar lines, the opening bracket is before "Base attack bonus". This feat is probably never used, though.

4) The description for the animal growth spell doesn't mention that that it gives damage reduction 10/magic (which it does) and a +4 resistance bonus to saving throws (which it should by the SRD, but I'm not sure how to verify).

 

What exactly is Antonio's Mace? There is no description when you click on it, but it sells for almost 1000gp. You can Identify it, but afterward you still can't see what it does.

 

It's a quest item and one-of-a-kind. I don't think it was ever fully implemented. It should be +1 or why bother for an ordinary mace? The GP price is in the range of a +1 weapon. Hard to say.

 

I've always thought it was a silver mace?

 

Module only says it's embedded with a ruby:

 

Kind of like the Unicorn ring, nice, but no magical properties. Never have done the quest for Tublal. Just something Troika put in. Maybe he knows about the ruby or thinks it's magical?

 

So, horrid wilting...

The targeting rules in the SRD are:

This is similar to the targeting for magic missile (although there, it's 15 instead of 60, which ToEE doesn't really seem to implement). This means that the implementation we have is off in a few ways:

1) Since it's a 60 ft. radius, you can target people who are up to 120 ft. apart.

2) You can't avoid targeting your own people if they're in the area of effect.

3) Judging from the script and the spell .txt, it will work on undead and constructs, although I haven't verified this.

So, I'd suggest doing one of two things:

1) Make it target like magic missile/weird/etc., although this actually makes the spell more powerful.

2) Cut it to a 30 ft. radius* that excludes friendlies.

And either way, change the script to check for undead and constructs, to negate damage due to their non-living status (it may make sense for non-water elementals to take no damage, as well, since the spell is supposed to be evaporating water; I think elementals count as 'living' though, and the SRD only mentions water elementals). I think I can handle this last part if need be (I've been fiddling with implementing spells).

* A 30 ft. radius isn't quite right. With the individual targeting, you could target three people who are standing at the corners of an equilateral triange with 60 ft. sides, and a 30 ft. circle could not cover the triangle. However, you can't increase the radius without allowing the targeting of people more than 60 ft. apart.

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Edit: Actually, I appear to have been partially wrong about ToEE implementing appropriate targeting. Weird has the following targeting flags:

Code:

mode_Target: Multi
mode_Target: Once-Multi
mode_Target: Primary 30 Feet
mode_Target: End Early Multi
min_Target: 1
max_Target: 0
radius_Target: 0

And I tested it out, and the above options let you designate one primary target, and then target other targets that are no more than 30 feet away from the primary target. This is actually incorrect for weird (it's correct for chain lightning).

However, there's another targeting flag 'Any 30 Feet' which ensures that no target is more than 30 feet away from another target. This is the correct flag for weird. Unfortunately, it looks hard-coded to 30 feet (and there's no 'Any 60 Feet' and so on), so magic missile, horrid wilting and any others that specify other distances can't be done properly.