5.0.x Cumulative Mods & Fixes (CMF) Bug Reports and Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Modification' started by HobbesMG, Jul 16, 2006.

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  1. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    I spend 3 paragraphs explaining why we do things the way we do and thats your response? Fine. Don't expect an ounce of help from me. I don't believe for one moment you will follow through with your BG conversion anyway - you'll hang around here insulting and criticising us for a few weeks until banned or you move on, you'll contribute nothing, and you won't be missed. We've seen it all before many many times.
     
  2. Aurelinus

    Aurelinus Member

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    You explain me for 3 paragraphs that you can't do something that in another thread someone just did (i mean selected patch files)? Interesting. I don't demand anything just suggest what could be done but I will be sleeping very well even if you do nothing. If I really need any corections i will do them within translating files (like soften dialogs).

    And I don't need to say a word here. You know better, then what for.

    I will annouce here somewhere when translation will be done. Or anything else.

    *rest on PM.
     
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  3. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    What are you talking about with this anyway? If you're referring to the thread about the 'Frightful Meleny Mod' (my part in it specifically, not thearioch's), then that's hardly fair game for criticism, since it doesn't actually exist and doesn't appear in any patch or mod. Otherwise, I'm not aware of any 'questionable' material in Meleny's dialogue file.

    The brothel, which is original Troika material, features varying degrees of homosexuality, incest, bestiality, and sadism and masochism (with an actual NPC dominatrix). And you're complaining about a PC being able to slap Burne or talk down to him? Give me a break. You're making yourself look foolish.

    You are aware that we are under no obligation to allow you to use our material, aren't you? Given your attitude of late, it's safe to say that we won't be supporting any patches you make based off of the Co8 mod. Therefore, it would be best for you if you started your 'mod,' whatever it may be, from scratch based on Troika material alone. Won't waste your time that way. And don't expect it to be hosted here, btw. There's no good reason for us to waste bandwidth on hostile persons, and we'd much prefer a polish localization be done by someone we consider a partner and have a rapport with. That's not you, quite clearly.

    Lastly, any further smartassed-ness on your part will result in infractions, which will lead to bans first temporary and then permanent if you persist. You have been warned.
     
  4. Basil the Timid

    Basil the Timid Dont Mention the War

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    Gaear and Shiningted: If I haven't said it before, You guys rock! I am truly impressed with your cool-collectedness in the face of such unwarranted criticism.

    Are you saying that Troika had a more hard-core brothel, which then got nixed by Atari, then partially revived by Co8? I am really curious what the original was (just for shits & giggles). And if someone thinks I am immature, whatever bud, "it's only a game"
     
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  5. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Troika's brothel was always the same, it was just nixed before the game's release at the demand of Hasbro due to their fear that it would be innappropriate for their younger audience (or more likely that it would earn them a 'mature' rating and thus hurt sales). This is a bit of a paradox, because while Hasbro is a toy/kids game company, Troika has been known all along as a very adult-oriented game developer (see common themes in Bloodlines, for example).

    All we did is re-enable the brothel. The tone of it has remained as originally created, though Ted added some SFX and Livonya expanded the Jenelda angle to be more interactive, I believe.

    [edit] Actually there is of course Ted's 'Something About Mary' mod, but I don't think that went beyond Troika's original material in tone, just expanded upon it.

    If gaming sensibilities are to be determined by the developer, and then followed by any subsequent modding efforts, we are in no way out of bounds with Troika's original vision by adding elements of sexually mature themes. Personally I don't see ToEE as a game marketed to a younger audience (and indeed we don't do any 'marketing' at all, as we're not a company), so I can't see why we should all have to fall in line with Aurelinus' sensibilities. I suspect a lot of people rather like the more mature stuff, be it armors with partial nudity or consumating encounters with Nulb's women of the night or whatever. It makes the gaming experience more authentic imo, as opposed to feeling like we're playing Candyland or something.
     
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  6. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    Well, it's nice to see our old pal O79, is still about. Except, I thought he was Italian, not Polish...

    Who said, "I don't tolerate fools lightly, just often."?
     
  7. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    I did, in the Provisioner's dialogue. :)

    If the Meleney stuff causing a problem is the option to sell her into slavery to the gypsy to free up space for Serena to join, well funnily enough that was original Troika as well. The fact it is all voiced is a dead giveaway.
     
  8. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    Alert - Alert - Alert!

    Gaear, the new Voices Mod gave some of my old female charecters male voices!

    It changed all of the voices as far as I can tell. This seems to make it incompatible with old characters. The party I started after I downloaded the voices mod has one newly-created character (with a great voice), and 5 accidently revoiced old charecters.

    Perhaps this was unintentional, and can be adjusted, by reordering the voice pack. Or maybe I did something incorrectly. It IS kind of comical.
     
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  9. Aurelinus

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    I asked this Mr Shiningted so ask once again:
    I don't like being threaten,
    please, just remove my profile as I can't do it myself. Nobody will miss each other I believe.
     
  10. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    Aurelinius, before you go. I am an old man, who is sometimes not very nice, and I've noticed something:

    One of the BEST insults is to not even notice when someone is rude to you. Think about it. How would you feel if you were doing your best to hurt someone, and they seemed not to notice that you were doing so? You would feel powerless. Try it on others sometime. Be NICE when they are rude.

    The original problem seemed to be that it was hard to understand what you wanted to know. I don't understand either. I think your idea of creating a ToEE version of Baldur's Gate sounds great. I love Baldur's Gate, and have Minsc and Jaheira in my present ToEE party.

    But this seems like a lot of work. If you have a passion for this, you should try it no matter what we think. If you want help with it, you have to be patient with the language differences. This is true everywhere, all the time.

    You are NOT going to get what you want. No one here is your mother. We are all selfish, rude bastards, I mean human beings.

    Good luck! (How do you say that in Polish?)
     
  11. Sergio Morozov

    Sergio Morozov Paladin

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    [Shall we continue feedback instead of hostility?]

    I can not take "whirlwind attack" feat although my character has all the prerequisites (dodge, mobility, combat expertize, spring attack and BAB >=4). The feat is just grayed out and can not be taken niether as fighter bonus feat nor as regular feat (at levels 8 and 9 respectively). Character is single-class fighter.

    Searched this thread for "whirlwind", nothing found.

    Another issue - feat "greater weapon focus" is named "greater weapon specialization". But description is correct and it gives +1 attack bonus not +2 damage.

    Used CMF 5.0.6 build 31 august 2008.

    [Westley Weimer, the author of Weidu was unable to transfer BG2 to IWD2 engine (well, without major bugs), and they have similar engines. Transferring BG to ToEE engine would require manual building of all BG with ToEE editor program, which Trojka used for developing ToEE, I think. Wha-ha-ha <evil laughter>].
     
  12. maggit

    maggit Zombie RipTorn Wonka

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    It's "Życzę szczęścia". You can have trouble with pronouncing it right. :p
    Or you can say "Powodzenia", it's a bit simpler. :D

    Anyway, I wouldn't worry about Arelinus, he's a Baldur's Gate modder known
    mostly for his EGO and a little less for the NTotSC mod. The last time I talked
    to him he was boasting about how KotB and ToEE new locations suck visually
    and that his are better.

    Of course I don't have anything against his plans on making Baldur's Gate
    for the ToEE engine. Hell, I'd even play it.
     
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  13. GuardianAngel82

    GuardianAngel82 Senior Member

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    "Zycze szczescia" is said like "zee-zeh' szeh-see'-ah"? (' is emphasis on that syllable)

    Does Powodzenia mean "good luck" or "goodbye"?

    I'm not kidding about being polite to people who are flipping out on you. In the GA, it's called "mental jui-jutsu". It calms down the angry and intimidates the aggressive. Cops use it all the time.

    Thanks for the language lesson, Mag.
     
  14. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    It can certainly be done: its crossed my mind, but I am slightly busy with other mods atm ;) But yeah, we have the technology, as they say.

    Sergio - I'm actually familiar with Weidu, since someone offered to make something similar for ToEE (but never did alas), But I honestly don't think ToEE's file structure supports something like that. Pity.

    As for 'Greater Weapon Focus' showing up as 'Greater Weapon Specialisation', I picked that up a few weeks ago and tried to fix it. Surprisingly enough, I could't find the file that that text comes from. Should have been the easiest fix but i just couldn't find it :shrug:
     
  15. Sergio Morozov

    Sergio Morozov Paladin

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    Oh, I have remembered another thing!

    Dominate Monster scroll could not be scribed!

    If wizard learns this (now 9-th level) spell from scroll (Burne has one in his inventory) and tries to scribe it... Well, the wizard could not see "Scroll of Dominate Monster" in the list of scrolls.

    Used CMF 5.0.6 build 31 august 2008.

    Of course, it is questionable, if the wizard could scribe 9-th level spell being at 8-th class level. But in ToEE other spells can be scribed if they are known (checked with Animate Dead scroll - found at Moathhouse, copied with L3 wizard, scribed later, but when it was yet unavailable for casting).

    Do not remember what d20srd says on this matter.
     
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