"Humble NPCs" patch

Haven't used this mod with Liv's, but the Co8 fixes followed by Liv's mod will let you move most items out of an NPC's inventory (except their starting equipment), and will stop them from looting anything except their agreed on share of coins and gems. You can also buy their starting equipment if you want it.

I have seen bugs with telling them not to sell anything (another option in Liv's mod), but that's easy to get around; just empty their inventories before talking to the shopkeeper.

Hopefully someone who has tried both mods together will have more specific info.

 

I don't know, I've got Liv's mods and while I tried to control my NPC's, once you tell'em to not sell anything in their inventory they of course won't sell'em to you either...ever. So then I end up with better equipment for them and my NPC's will never drop'em or sell'em. I also sometimes try to let them "borrow" some magical items for a battle or two and then they decide to keep them...unfortunately, I've had to murder two of my NPC's (Zert and Zaxis) because they simply wouldn't cooperate. Meleny's starting to piss me off too...but at least she doesn't hog all the treasure. It's just her strength is horrible and if she picks up a sack of sling stones she's already encumbered.

 

Yup. If I take NPCs at all, I just swap everything out of their inventory before speaking with merchants. Meleny always gets consoled up to STR 14, and then casts Bull's Strength on herself until the gold and XP are available to craft her a Girdle of Giant Strength.

 

I didn't have it installed before I got here; it was that very event, where I had to slaughter Furnok, that got me searching out such a fix.

I just installed Co8 3.0.4, temple.zip, and humble_npcs. I had already installed patch 3 before I read everyone telling me not to. Oh well. I hope it doesn't hurt me in the long run...

What happens if I install Liv's over these? Do I just lose humble_npcs (which I could install over again), or what?

thanks
jason.

 

I have finally "fixed" the npc and looting problems and have 2 new npc recruits, Lodriss and Mathilde. By editing the protos and .dlg files along with Drifters mod, I now have control and I like it. It may be considered "cheating" by some, but I like it and I'm having fun. I'm sorry, but I don't like not being able to do what I want or need because it's not available or "not in the game". Use the mods and fixes in the threads and have a good time.

 

Yeah...

Man, this is just a mess, isen't it? Humble NPCs are cool, I say.

Their looting practices are what drove me to forswear them altogether. Not worth my freaking time to have these schmucks that I've already paid, who are collecting gold and not using it for anything constructive, to sit there freeloading themselves down with crap they're not going to use, and you can only compel them to get rid of by prying it from their cold dead hands.


Oh, and when I want something an NPC has, I just kill him for it. But I don't incur an alignment hit, oh no. Apparently Mr. NPC decided to have a heroic last stand, and charge into the fray until he's dead. Then we nuke the place clean with Fireballs and swipe his gear. Guilt-free, all those extra goodies (slightly crispy,) and none of the icky alignment hits.

So yeah. When cheaters want what NPCs have, they'll find a way to get it. Otherwise, just let us PLEASE manage their inventories and keep them sane. Trying to haul around an NPC who's hauling around an inventory full of junk is not fun. Especially if he's freeloading.


Plus, he gets to loot magical items. That my PCs probably want more. wtf? He's a mercenary. He gets a cut of the gold and gems. Any magical items we DEIGN to bestow upon his person are strictly on a loaner basis. If he dosen't like it, then he either needs to renegotiate, or get bent. (That's just the way I feel about it.)

 

I have not installed it yet and not sure if I will at this time but I think it is a GREAT idea . . .. good work Drifter. :clap:

I do not agree with just simply looting all the NPC items but that is the player's choice . . .

All I want is to prevent the NPCs from looting and selling things to merchants that don't make sense (e.g. selling clothes to the jeweler). As lame as it may sound, there should be something that makes the PC pay the NPCs after treasure is collected just not having the NPC take things at random would be great.

I would like the NPC to agree to a share by discussing that issue with the PCs before joining; even the evil ones like Scorpp and Darley. They both kick butt until they start taking magic items that they won't use . . . GRRR *punching into my hand*

 

I've been playing Liv's mod with Drifters and I haven't noticed anything unusual. I know Drifters mod isn't offical or accepted but it sure is handy. If I've missed anything in Liv's mod, I don't know what it is. I've been to end game twice with no problems.

 

I love it. *tears*

I've played this game a dozen times grinding through with looting, I relish the freedom. Unmask the NPC stats and make their weapon switching work and I'd have a coronary.

camelot

 

Hate to necro, but I'd like to point out that without this patch, a certain 10th level moron fighter will remain encumbered FOREVER, because he like an idiot is carrying around 2 sets of armor and hella weapons. This is a good patch.

 

I was equipping my NPC's and dismissing them, Otis...

..in particular. Crafting custom itemes for them, and letting them wait their turn in the Temple. Otis can be released from the party and will rejoin an unlimited number of times, as long as you've never enterred the Temple. Anyway, I accidentally unchecked the Humble NPC's option in the ToEE Front End, and Otis apparently promptly sold all his things to himself, and reequipped himself with junk. No big deal, I'll just make them all again, but, is there any way to stop this from happening? Otis doesn't have a dialog option to have him never sell his things.