Raise Dead Scroll not working?

Oh goody a rules debate!

What about p268 of the PHB 3.5 - the Raise Dead spell

"A creature who has been turned into an undead creature or killed by a death effect can't be raised by this spell. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be raised. The spell cannot bring back a creature that has died of old age."

A native outsider is still an outsider.

 

The Native subtype has a special exception to the Raise Dead rule that overrides the rule for outsiders.

I'm honestly shocked that the rule is even programmed in. Is it just there for one NPC companion (who might be exceptional as well)? I can't think of when else it would matter.

Also, I looked, and it doesn't appear to be in the spell script, so it must be hard coded in the Raise Dead condition that actually does some of the work.

 

Its easier turning them into Lesser Aasimar and Lesser Tieflings (as I have done)

 

I've been off my computer the past few days, but, yes, @ithildur is correct. They can't be affected by most Humanoid-only effects, such as enlarge person, but raise dead works.

 

Aasimar and Tieflings are under the Human race so I don't see why they wouldn't be seen first as Humans, and therefore capable of being raised

 

Took a look and fixing the code correctly looks pretty difficult. This is a really clever workaround. I am going to give it a shot for the next Temple+ version.

 

I could take a crack at fixing the underlying problem if you want. I looked and it seemed like it'd be possible.

Spoiler: special cases

Also, it looked like there is a special case for Darley, because she's a human in her proto. So they specifically test for her proto ids to make sure you can't raise her.

 

I've been working on this, but I ran into some questions that might only be answerable by someone who knows more Co8 history than I do.

So, in the Raise Dead script, at some point it seems like Co8 added logic to reset the target's experience value (I don't think the original script has it). But, the original DLL actually resets the target's XP to something as well. So the first question is: does anyone remember why you folks did that? I assume the value the DLL sets is wrong or something; it looks a little fishy.

Second, when the script is doing that, it stores the target XP value in `global_vars[752]`. Can anyone remember why that was done? It seems like a dubious thing to do. That isn't the only place that global variable is used; it seems like it's some kind of counter that influences when something respawns in the moathouse. So if you raise someone it would clobber that counter. Maybe the counter doesn't matter at the point when you'd have enough money to raise someone, though, and the global has some other effect. So I'm unsure if it was intentional or just someone not being familiar with local variables at the time or something.

Let me know if anyone remembers anything. I tried searching but didn't see anything promising.

 

I see. My plan is to fix the core resurrection function so that it actually does the right thing.

The other thing I see that is different from the original script is:

Code:

target_item.obj.object_script_execute( target_item.obj, 18 )

Do you know what that does? Is it related to setting

Code:

global_vars[752]

to the reduced XP value?

 

Maybe related to the st cuthbert resurrection

 

Ah hah. Cool. Thanks for the info.