Great Mace question

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  1. Major_Blackhart

    Major_Blackhart Member

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    Do you guys ever plan on putting a Masterwork Great Mace in the game? I wan to build an evil cleric of Erythnul, and a massively magical great mace would be an awesome weapon for such a character to use, considering his god and all that.
     
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    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    No particular plans, but I suppose we could.
     
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    erkper Bugbear Monk Supporter

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    I was looking at the (non-MW) great mace in Ah Fong's shop, and it seems a bit overpowered/non-RAW to me. 1d12 damage, 19-20 crit x3? That's kinda high compared to other similar two-handed weapons such as heavy flail (RAW 1d10, 19-20 x2) or great club (RAW 1d10 20 x2.) Heck, it's just about the best non-reach two-hander around, better than the greatsword or greataxe, especially if it uses (simple weapon prof) mace proficiency.
     
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  4. Major_Blackhart

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    Is there such a weapon in 3.5 that has those stats?
    I agree it's overpowered, but it is fluffy for my cleric and my barbarian.
     
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    Isn't Erythnul's favored weapon a morningstar, anyway?

    d20srd doesn't list any mace other than light and heavy. The weapon does seem overpowered. IIRC, NWN2 had a similar non-RAW weapon called Warmace, but it was much better balanced at 1d12 20x2.
     
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    Yeah, but my understanding is that the great mace actually uses Morningstar specs. If you see the model, it actually makes sense that way. The inventory icon is actually of a heavy mace, but really it should be a morningstar of some kind. At least I think it uses morningstar specs.
     
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  7. Alporik

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    That is overpowered. Still not as bad as the great cleaver though, because you can get that one at level 1 and wield it in one hand.
     
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  8. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    Does anyone object to me introducing a Masterwork version but paring it back to crit x2?
     
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    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    No objection from me, d12, 20 crit range x2 crit sounds ok.
     
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  10. Alporik

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    Would it be 20/x3? The tetsubo is 19-20/x2 and is 2d6 damage as well, so a d12, 20/x2 would be strictly inferior on the numbers.

    Roll-playing is something different of course, the lord of the nazgul would not "let fall his tetsubo" after all.
     
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  11. Endarire

    Endarire Ronald Rynnwrathi

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    Mechanically, longspears (simple) and guisarmes (martial) are the best melee weapons - aside from perhaps the Swords of Answering - due to their longer reach. Spiked chains (exotic) also have reach but require a feat to use properly.
     
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  12. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    The SRD doesn't list a Great Mace for 3.5e though this dnd wiki page does, granted it's a homebrew concept, but personally if I wanted a 2 handed weapon wielder, I'd go for a Greataxe instead. I dislike weapons and armour that are factually incorrect (Studded Leather didn't exist and Flails were about as likely to kill the wielder as the target).
     
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  13. Alporik

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    I guess I got brainwashed by my early exposure to AD&D cleric requirements, but I just can't see my warrior cleric with a Greataxe. My vision of them doesn't really include a shield either. Let your deity protect you as you do their will with both hands!
     
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  15. Shiningted

    Shiningted I changed this damn title, finally! Administrator

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    I was thinking 19-20 x2, but 20 x3 is fine too. Or make it 30lbs and x4 I guess.
     
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