Circle of Eight Modpack 5.9.x/5.9.xNC General Commentary & Discussion Thread

Saving during combat is unreliable.

There may be something there in future.

The ambush won't happen if any of them are already dead.

Fixed.

I don't follow. When talking to Lerrick at night, you either get blown off, provoke him to attack, or get him to tell you that he's the boss if Wilfrick has already been killed.

 

Will fix.

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I discovered a fairly major bug that apparently goes all the way back to vanilla: only the first effect from any given reputation was being applied.

Some reputations are supposed to grant multiple effects. For example, when you get in good with a temple faction, you get a boost to that faction, plus negative effects to the other temple factions. Only the first effect was being applied in these cases (usually the plus to your buddy faction), so fixing this could cause heretofore unseen consequences in the game. It's hard to say for sure though, because ToEE's reputation scale is rather two dimensional. You're generally either loved, hated, or neutral.

This will also likely fix various other problems though, like Verbobonc citizens and/or guards not minding if you're a killer, etc. I can't believe this went unnoticed for so long. :twitch:

In other news, the reason I discovered the above is because I was adding an effect to the Butcher of Hommlet rep - namely, a negative reaction 'malus' to Burne's Badgers, which will now have their own law enforcement type faction like the Verbobonc Watch. In future, only Badgers will attack you on-sight if you have the Butcher of Hommlet rep, so no more suicide rushes from children and old women, etc.

Additionally, generic citizens/villagers everywhere will no longer participate in fights at all, and will flee if given the chance if they are attacked or otherwise get pulled into a battle. This will improve 'teh realizm,' because average Johnny beet-farmer wouldn't likely consider himself a short-notice hero ("mmm, coffee ... now I must perish!") and probably would have become an adventurer if he wanted to die prematurely.

Also, the generally good-ish/lawful-ish NPCs will no longer gladly participate in murders of generic villagers/citizens if they're in your party. They'll object, disband, and attack you instead. :yes:

 

Yeah, I actually figured that out last night - doing the Hextor quest and reporting back to the Hextor priest does not complete the Hextor quest (as you reported), but it does wrongly complete the Wilfrick quest, which leads to Lerrik talking about it out of turn. Sorry, will fix.

In the meantime, if you can go back to a save from just after you reported back to the Hextor priest, open up the console and type

Code:

game.quests[84].state = qs_completed

and press enter, then type

Code:

game.quests[77].state = qs_unknown

and press enter. That will fix it up and you can then go talk to Lerrik/Darlia and they will behave properly and give you the final SB quest.

Thanks for pointing this out. :thumbsup:

Do you currently have the 'Member of the Scarlet Brotherhood' reputation? Right now that causes an auto-attack from Verbobonc guards, but we'll change that so it doesn't. It really shouldn't unless you were discovered murdering somebody like a guard or Wilfrick.