[TOE MOD Request] Rapier, Estoc and Armor

- not easily? It makes sense, but rapiers are already their own thing, and if they are animated that way, then changing them would be hard.

- yes

- yes, assuming someone was a good enough modeller and was willing to do the addmeshes.

 

Well, great. I'll try the rapier thing - I don't think it will work, but I'll try it - and I'm sure someone else will be along to deliver on the other.

 

Ok, so here's what I tried (I will refer to the current behaviour of the rapier model as 'slashing' rather than the 'stabbing' you are looking for).

- first, replaced with triple-sized dagger model: this looked ok (better than I expected) but still slashing.
- tried reducing the size of a rapier to 'tiny', a la a dagger: still slashing.
- did a few other tihngs, no luck
- finally, changed current, medium-sized rapier model to Weapon Type: Dagger (left everything else as is): this created a stabbing animation but I suspect the game now regards weapon as a dagger (so dagger associated feats, and no longer a medium-szed weapon that could be finessed - I didn't test this but I see no need to as that's how the game works).

So, the problem is some internal thing re how the game views the rapier as a concept, not as a model. I checked the various files associated with the rapier model (skm, ska, mdf etc) and can't see anything that I can alter to fix this.

Maybe one of the Temple+ people could help - its a genuine issue, the rapier should be a stabby weapon - but I'm out of ideas.

 

Thank you sir.

Yeah good on ya, I'm not releasing a rogue temple.dll to come back and bite me in the 4$$ like happened to poor Moebius. I can just imagine decades from now people posting, "I installed Co8 and Temple+ just like the instructions, and then that temple.dll Ted did, but now I have 256 magic missiles and Michigan just flipped 6000 votes from President Barron to the Fembot 3000! Wtf?"

What I will do is take you step by step through how to do this yourself, as I just did to test it.

Step 1 - get your preferred Hex editor. I use HxD from HERE.

Step 2 - backup temple.dll from your root ToEE folder (alongside the data and modules folders).

Step 3 - if you are not confident of UAC not butting in and buggering things up, copy temple.dll onto the desktop. (I have to do that).

Step 4 - open temple.dll in your Hex Editor and scroll down to 002BE5B0, and across to 002BE5BC. Currently it says 02.

Step 5 - change it to 01. (See pic - it is red because it is changed. You will see 02 until you change it).

Step 6 - save, then copy that temple.dll back into your ToEE root folder (overwriting, of course).

Step 7 - profit.

Let me know if it works.

 

Are there d20 stats for an estoc or is it just meant to be identical to a rapier?

EDIT: Ok, from Wikipedia:

I already did the zweihander.

Pointy sword with no cutting edge that can pierce mail - I do believe we have found a real life Keen piercing weapon.

Now, long pointy weapon with oversized handle - how does this look? Its not exactly like your model, but it is still unlike any sword currently in ToEE. I have added a shortsword and current rapier for comparison.

 

Well, as per previous, someone else is going to have to add your new models, that's not something I have ever done. (I've reskinned, modded, hacked and done any number of things to existing models, but never added a new one).

Now - does anyone have any idea what the stats on an estoc would be? The same as a rapier? Note this obviously doesn't have a huge metre-long blade or anything. Surely Wizards have done stats for this somewhere?

EDIT: Hmmm, the Interwebs is suggesting everything from a finessable peircing Bastard sword (complete with EWP for 1 handed use) to a finessable peircing longsword. To keep the 'medium but finessable' shtick I suspect it will have to stay a rapier...