[Spoilers!] What's a full list of actions in Co8 New Content with T+ that causes a Paladin to fall?

Greetings, all!

I'm glad that the Hommlet drinking contest no longer strips Paladinhood, but what else does? I know about atonement, but I want to know what would prompt the need for such.

Thankee!

 

making "use" of the brothel in Nulb

 

The paladin should be virtuous, high moral standards, etc, so in theory he should fall if partaking in the drinking contest.

but that's just my opinion

 

A paladin of Moradin might disagree about heavy drinking being an inherent moral failing. But that's all been rehashed many times in the past and I don't really want to start the debate over again.

 

I didn't say that.

I said a paladin shouldn't partake in a drinking game. Replace "drinking game" with a dice game, or a poker game, etc.

I am not opening a debate...just voicing an opinion.

I am not sure if the drinking game paladin falling is part of the T+ options for Stricter Rules Enforcement, or some other House Rule in there

 

No sir, that's OG.
Wasn't the main issue that the pally falls if ANYONE enters the contest?

 

Playing Old Maid, or Bridge, or Crazy 8s, Go Fish, etc, should be OK.

Strip Poker is NOT ok

The Drinking Contest isn't for money, like a dice game or poker game would typically be. It is for bragging rights, so this is why the old school righteous/virtuous Paladins shouldn't partake.

And then I guess he needs to go hide in the corner as your thief goes around and loots all the bodies

 

But not all Pallys are the same. You specifically pick gods for characters that have different beliefs and hold different moral standards, and thus should not all be held to the same cookie-cutter standard. A paladin of Moradin (a LG god) would and should certainly hold different beliefs as to whether drinking was "proper" and what they should not do to "act like a pally" than some other LG gods' followers might.

Oh lord, now I started rehashing it...

 

A dwarven paladin of Moradin who entered the drinking contest wearing Dwarven Plate Armor should definitely fall.

 

This may be a downside to a computer ran RP game. For a real DM, he keep all that in mind and make the needed changes on the fly.

Plus, i don't recall our DM requiring a party alignment. I know he'd keep track of a party reputation for how townfolk would react, and such, but he'd not require a specified initial party alignment.

While paladin should be the captain of the party and hold himself responsible for the actions of the party and the members contained within it, that still doesn't mean a bard or rogue, or anyone member, couldn't try and do some necessary things that the paly doesn't know about - until such a time it is necessary to tell him

 

Well, this is certainly how we'd be playing our PNP games.

I think some common sayings we used were:

"screw that Goody Two Shoes, we'll do what we want!!!"
"well it sucks you're playing paladin, we are going to go do THIS while your character is sleeping"
"too bad we have a paladin in our party, well, I guess we can't go do that fun thing"

At some point paladins weren't played any longer in our group

 

The party alignment thing in TOEE is just the game's way of setting up some starting points that try to make thematic sense, and doesn't have a P&P analogue. The problems (you can't mix CG and LN, but a Paladin of Heironius and a Cleric of Hextor get on just fine...) are nevertheless largely due to the quirks of the D&D alignment system.
I personally wouldn't have a Paladin fall if a fellow party member accepted a challenge to a drinking contest or gambled: the common folk have their entertainments, however unsavoury or unwise (and a hangover or lightened purse is an opportunity for a sermon the following day).
With Dwarves, it depends how far you are going down the Order of the Stick parody line. I wouldn't let a Dwarven Paladin seek out drinking contests as a way to make money, but I'd allow them to accept a challenge to racial pride and dignity made by a human in a bar. Fall only if you lose, perhaps!
I assume that folks are aware of the pages and pages of Paladin 'gotcha' stories and Ill-feeling on the Internet. A computer game is always going to have debatable interpretations, but is at least amenable to re-dos if it can't do subtlety.