Volunteers needed - beta testing next Temple+ release

I am mostly meme-ing. It is a neutral change for me, as you can still alter your stats in a variety of different ways.

 

From a practical perspective, point buy does things better than the roll/point buy hybrid bug. Still, having it as a house rule is likely the best option.

 

@dolio Made the change. I am cool with him adding an option to bring it back if he wants to do it.

 

You can just revert it if everyone wants. I don't know if it's worth making it a toggle.

 

Put in a house rule called "all original bugs" and then all those that love working the bug angles can use it.

Make it all or nothing. It is the same in many games for this kind of protest.

If things are that tedious, the console exists.

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I like fixes. So call me a grumpy old killjoy. Pages and pages of house rules to allow picking and choosing bugs seems counterproductive.

 

Anyone find anything during the beta test? Thinking about ending the beta period before too long.

 

Released Temple+ v1.0.98: https://github.com/GrognardsFromHell/TemplePlus/releases/tag/v1.0.98

Changelog:

• Reworked armor check penalties to be more by the book, display correctly, and fix some incorrect bonuses on particular items
• Fixed some odd behavior of racial penalties to already very low ability scores
• Poison fixes
  • Delay Poison has been implemented properly on strict rules. It actually delays the poison effect until after the spell ends, rather than cancelling it.
  • Delay Poison removes Hezrou stench effects
  • Neutralize Poison duration corrected
  • Corrected Vrock spores ability to be more P&P accurate
  • Added an option to use poisons.json which will correct some poisons (e.g. the Moathouse snake has the wrong poison in vanilla)
• Made Temple+ base classes able to get starting equipment, and added appropriate mes entries for some modules
• Trip check now displays touch attack misses
• Untrippable log text now correctly has a new line character in the combat log
• Fixed a bug where enchanted ammo was applied to every attack with a throwable weapon
• Fixed Uncanny Dodge and Blind-Fight not protecting you from sneak attacks in relevant situations
• Fixed a bug that was skipping ammo usage for crossbows during full attacks
• Corrected reloading cost for heavy crossbows under strict rules
• Made slings require loading on strict rules
• Made equipping a buckler not uncheck two weapon fighting toggle
• Made wearing a buckler not use two-handed weapon animations when two-weapon fighting
• Fixed a dialogue loop during the Zuggtmoy fight
• Improved Ray of Clumsiness description
• Non-core spells can be enabled/disabled by source book in the configurator
• Skirmish damage now correctly applies to weaponlike spells
• Fixed a crash that sometimes happened during startup

 

@Doug thanks for the new update. I'll give a try soon.

 

Thankee!

By RAW, does neutralize poison make someone immune to poison for the duration?

 

per the srd
Neutralize Poison
Conjuration (Healing)
Level: Brd 4, Clr 4, Drd 3, Pal 4, Rgr 3
Components: V, S, M/DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature or object of up to 1 cu. ft./level touched
Duration: 10 min./level
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless, object)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless, object)
You detoxify any sort of venom in the creature or object touched. A poisoned creature suffers no additional effects from the poison, and any temporary effects are ended, but the spell does not reverse instantaneous effects, such as hit point damage, temporary ability damage, or effects that don’t go away on their own.

The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell. Unlike with delay poison, such effects aren’t postponed until after the duration —the creature need not make any saves against poison effects applied to it during the length of the spell.

This spell can instead neutralize the poison in a poisonous creature or object for the duration of the spell, at the caster’s option.

 

That's better than I originally thought. Thankee and alleluia!

 

Greetings again @Sitra Achara. Since the beta testing seems to be continuing for the time being, I thought I should report my findings here:

1. The sickened condition seems to be affecting things like magic missile and sound burst
2. I mentioned Ghoul Touch's particles in another post. They aren't centered on the target and, instead, follow the caster around until sleeping
3. Chill Touch appeared to grant 5/5 for a 5th level Warmage, but it would not subtract after each attack.
4. It seems that when using the new Temple+'s "FrontEnd" (for lack of a better word in my vocab) with module SGoS, the requests for max hp for monsters and PCs don't work. I don't know if it is a module thing or a Temple+ thing

 

From what I recall, SGoS enforces those settings through the mod scripts.
Check startup_zmod.py for details.

Code:

def zmod_templeplus_config_apply():
    # import startup_zmod
    # startup_zmod.zmod_templeplus_config_apply()
    print("zmod_templeplus_config_apply")
    if ("config_set_string" in dir(tpdp)):
        tpdp.config_set_string("hpfornpchd", "average")
        tpdp.config_set_string("hponlevelup", "average")

 

I was guessing that was the case. I used the console to max hp my 5 person party (4.5 if you count the Scout), and the third dungeon is really dangerous without them having max hp. I wonder why @anatoliy would purposely limit player choices since he made the mod together with temple+. I hope he's well and returns to us soon.

 

A) What is the situation with Concentration checks? I don't think the continuous damage aspect was implemented properly; otherwise, I probably wouldn't have read how Acid Arrows take down the Balor.

Concentration

...Injury
If while trying to cast a spell you take damage, you must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + points of damage taken + the level of the spell you’re casting). If you fail the check, you lose the spell without effect. The interrupting event strikes during spellcasting if it comes between when you start and when you complete a spell (for a spell with a casting time of 1 full round or more) or if it comes in response to your casting the spell (such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the spell or a contingent attack, such as a readied action).​

1. So this means all readied magic missiles affect the casting, right? This is true in Co8 and Temple+ right?
2. Do we have full round casting? I know Sleep is only a standard action

If you are taking continuous damage half the damage is considered to take place while you are casting a spell. You must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + ½ the damage that the continuous source last dealt + the level of the spell you’re casting). If the last damage dealt was the last damage that the effect could deal then the damage is over, and it does not distract you.​

1. I don't remember Acid Arrow being this lame.

Repeated damage does not count as continuous damage.​

What is an example of repeated damage?

B) Also, have any improvements been made to make Cure / Inflict spells require a touch attack? I think I remember the old discussion that it is possible, but the problem is that the game would also roll for touching allied characters and controlled undead. I remember when cast, move, touch was implemented, which was great!! Any new thoughts on this?