ToEE_Fan_Fixes_V4-0-RC1

I'm one of the people who believe that the Fan Fixes should be updated. But nobody seems to want to do it. So to give you a push I compiled this - a proposed patch. It still needs some working on, and probaly more stuff added, but it's just a proposal. If it's a bad idea which I shouldn't have done then delete this post. If not then tell me what you think, what else should be included changed etc.

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This patch is just a "proposal" for the community, totally unsupported.

ToEE_Fan_Fixes_V4-0-RC1

1. All the documentation can be found in Docs folder

2. The following have been included and will be installed:

- ToEE_Fan_Fixes_V3-0-4
- latest Moebius' Temple.dll with following Drifter's patches
- ASF Chance fix for Bard
- HP bonus from CON fix
- Druid armour proficiency fix
- Negative bonuses fix for AC
- Bard 16+ Charisma extra spell fix

- Livonya's 1.5.1 mod (modified - see 5. for details)
- Moathouse as Quest (updated)
- Allyx protos.tab

3. The following have been included and will not be installed (go to your game directory and run them manually):

- Humble NPCs patch
- Max HP patch
- PC count patch
4. Following tools have been included:
- TempleFrontend 3.0a1
- Portrait Wizard (found in data\Art\interface\PORTRAITS\)

5. Livonya mod have been "untweak" and fixed (process unfinished in RC1:

- Most skill requirements have been reverted back to their original state to prevent first time players from being unable to finish basic quests.

 

Not bad. I would also add Allyx's shop maps and leave Liv's mod as it is.

This Moathaouse quest of yours doesn't seem to be working. I got a Moathouse Cleaner rep but no quest in questlog. Or did I misunderstood it's purpose?

 

There is a thread in the General Modification forum discussing a new Co8 patch. You might want to check it out. You can find it here .

As for "untweaking" Liv's mod, I disagree. Aside from the sheer amount of work required to do it, the tweaks do not prevent new players from completing quests, they just postpone the completion until the player is a higher level. Even in the original, some Hommlet quest could not be completed at first level, and still required the player spending points in the right skills. A party with no Face charater will not be able to complete all the quests, and won't be able to access all the different options for completing the quests. This is all part of D&D and ToEE.

 

@moat quest - yes, it should be in the quest log if it's not then something is wrong, I'll check it out.

@Untweaking liv
It can be reverted in 5 minutes. As I said it's just a proposal.
I lowered the dialogue requirements to their original, because that's a very strange idea in itself and even stranger when raised... in D&D you make a skill check when trying to convince somebody, which involves a random element. In ToEE you have to have high enough skill to even see that you can convince that person.
Take a look at the example: You know that somebody is poisoning Black Jay's Sheep, you wait for that person, catch him. If you don't have intimidate high enough, you may talk to him=nothing. You may go to the boy's father and he'll say "where's your proof?" The bloody boy is standing there in Black Jay's field! you could bring him to his father or vice versa. But no, skill not high enough. If you go to Black Jay you still can't say who's poisoning his sheep...
Now possibly it would be best to redo all the quests to make them logical, but if not then I believe the skill requirements should often be lowered not raised. Because first time player will assume that either he's doing something wrong or the quest is broken. He may try coming back later and in normal ToEE this means 1-2 level later, but in Liv's mod it's 3-4 levels later... he'll burst of frustraction and/or read the walkthrough by that time.

 

I seriously doubt that. At the least it would require comparing all the scripts in Liv's mod with the srcips from the original, unmodded game and finding every place a social skill check is made where the DC has been changed and reverting it back. Even using a file comparison utility to do this would take a lot longer than five minutes. Then there is the added content. No original to compare it to. Plus, some of the social skill checks are scripted in. That adds a whole bunch more files to look at, and a lot of the script changes are bug fixes or improvements to the game, so you would have to know exactly what the script is doing before you go changing it. I have spent days working on trying to get the swamp random encounter to show up in a more regular fashion, and most of that time was spent trying to figure out how the whole thing worked in the first place.

I really don't think its that big a deal that you can't finish a quest right away. It's a matter of instant gratification verses having to work for it.

 

No, I meant that the changes I put in can be reverted in 5 minutes. BTW I changed the requirements as they appear in dlg files.

 

BTW your protos.tab is compatible with juggernaught fix? , as for Shiningted 1.0.4 - it's an exellent mod that integrates many other things, I thought of this as being rather fix-mostly, users who wanted more mod content should just go for Shiningted 1.0.4 and that's that.

 

I've just checked it, I get the quest all right. It can be given by Terjon or Jaroo.

 

Hmm... I don't remember any lines in their dialouge and now it's too late, I guess.
No harm done, at times some things just don't install right and nothing can be done about it.

 

That's sounds very good, though it seems I don't have the time to go through files and isolate Desperate Housewives at the moment. Maybe you'd like to do the honours?