The case of 0rion79: opinions needed!

I am totally for forcing 0rion to talk to us if he wants his mod back up on Sorcerer's Place. I have volunteered to be the spokesperson if this community decides to deal with 0rion through one person. I am equally comfortable with someone else as the spokesperson (especially if it was one of the elders of this communtiy, such as Agetian or Morpheus), or even letting 0rion choose which member of this community he would prefer in this capacity. I would add that the spokesperson, whoever it may be, will serve only as an intermediary between 0rion and this community, not as a decision making entity.

The idea of a spokesperson was suggested because it may be easier for 0rion to deal with one individual privately rather than come here publicly and subject himself to the slings and arrows this community may righteously heap upon him. It was suggested in the interests of resolving this situation swiftly in a fair and just manner, rather than just venting our anger upon him.

 

*Unloads belt of API ammo from M-60; maintains position on post.

I'm not aggrieved, per se, due to his so-called modding - only by what he's done to hurt the community. This is his mess, and he should be the one to clean it up. The modders here are ever the helpful & forgiving kind, so I will not hamper their efforts to resolve this how they feel it would best be resolved. It's their work after all; I'm just a staunch supporter of it.

I know Blue would represent the community well. I think Orion could post here, as long as he reigns in his ego. I for one will not open up on him until he shows what I believe to be are his true colors. He's done it before; twice now. And it cost this community dearly in the process (Drifter, maybe others...?).

This is his third chance, and he needs to 1. apologize; 2. show some respect for others; and 3. clean up after himself. Then, he may just become a part of the team, not the star he believes himself to be. A lot of progress has been made in modding; who knows what he'll learn and be able to help with (or even actually create himself) in the future? But he's got to avail himself of this opportunity in the spirit that it's offered.

 

The whole flap with Orion79 occured before I joined this community. So my opinion is based on what I have read from various postings on the subject. Since he stole other people's work and didn't give them credit for it, I believe him to be lazy, because he didn't do the work him self, and unethical, because he didn't ask and didn't give credit. Now he hasn't approached on his own but had someone else make the approach (could be a result of laziness or emabarassment). He has asked others to do work (gather a list of names and credits) for him (still lazy). To me it seems he is still lazy and not likely to be a productive, helpful member of the community, so I say keep him out.

Another factor I considered is this: With the numbers of modders already working, and the difficulties of keeping all the patches together and their install order correct, do we really want a modder who has already shown him self to be a rogue modder making things even more difficult?


Nomad461

 

As far as I'm concerned, the community created the mod, so the community's responsible for the mod. When you have some guy splinter from the community and rip off a bunch of work belonging to other members of the community, claiming them as his own 'alternative' release, my only reaction to such an action is to tell said individual to go fuck himself.

Bottom line: It's a community mod, so it belongs to the community. Period.

 

I just wanted to add that any spokesperson (if that is the way we choose to go) should publicly post any and all corespondeces (both sides) with 0rion, unedited, on this forum. It would go like this:

1) 0rion emails (PMs, whatever) the spokesperson.
2) The spokesperson posts that corespondence in a thread dedicated to this.
3) The community discusses it and decides on a response.
4) The spokesperson drafts a reply and posts it in the thread, edititng it as per the communities wishes.
5) The spokesperson sends the relpy to 0rion.

It is a little cumbersome, I know, and will require people to be on the ball, since I don't think we should wait more than 24, perhaps 48 hours before replying.

I agree that 0rion should make the first move. That is why I suggested that Taluntain email 0rion and tell him that he needs to open a dialog with us if he wants his mod back up. From Taluntain's post, I gather that he is passing that ball back to us. It really isn't his problem after all.

In deference to Taluntain, I think a member of this community should email 0rion and let him know that if he wants the mod back up, he is going to have to talk to us, either publicly, or through private coresponcences with a member of this community, and that all such private corespondences will be made public on this forum. Again, I have volunteered to do this, but perhaps it would be best if it was one of the communities elders.

 

My $0.02 cents worth. Ask Tuluntain to have Orion get in touch with CtB. If Orion initiates the dialogue and is willing to make reperations for his misdeeds, lift the sanction. Otherwise, screw him.

Stealing other peoples work is Definitely not cool, and I don't feel you guys owe him anything.

Cuchulainn

 

I came in after he left, but I did read some of his posts, and have seen his new one at Sorcerers.net.

I have no stake in this because, I just enjoy the mods, not make them, yet anyway...

I say stick to the hardline.

For someone to steal someone else's work (Blue's notes are still in his! and everyone knows Ah-Fong is Ted's) and then to claim it as your own, while utterly disrespecting those who made some, if not all of the mod you are claiming as your own, is deplorable!

If it were a book, it would be as if he plagiarized pieces of other's books, claimed the entire book as his own, and crowed that it was the best book ever written, then threw disparaging remarks at the other authors. That would land him in jail in many countries.

Make him retract the whole thing.

 

Spamming this thread again, I am.

Just spoke with Agetian, and I feel the need to clarify what is meant by "negotiations". This does not mean any compromise on our part. This is just a dialog with 0rion79 to make our conditions known and to ensure that they are met.