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  1. Necroticpus

    Necroticpus Cthulhu Ftaghn!

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    We all know that the rabid anti-smokers are all on a witch hunt, looking for something to feel superior about, such as all people regularly do to bolster a low self esteem. This little article proves once again that the moral majority is still in the wrong and will continue to be in the wrong until they take a dirt nap, which by the way will be long before any decent, good hearted smoker, statistically speaking. :yes:

    The problem I have with all of this is that who wants to live to an ungodly age like anything past 60 or 70? All you're going to miss is soiling yourself and drooling all over the place. Thats the bad thing about smoking, it increases your fricking life span so that you get to watch all your non-smoking "healthy" friends and relatives die while you keep celebrating birthdays. But, I guess that's the price that has to be paid for our pleasure.

    I myself am shooting for 125 before I decide to leave. I just want to stay around long enough to see the tables turned on the anti-smokers so they can be wrongfully discriminated against.

    Smoke up, Johnny!

    http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm

    SMOKERS DIE "EARLY"...

    While this cannot really be considered scientific evidence, it is a fact nevertheless.

    The oldest people on Earth are all smokers.

    According to the World Health Organization and the statisticians of the anti-tobacco cartel, however, these are (or will be) all premature deaths, for the simple reason that they are smokers. Therefore, these individuals did (or will) add to the smoking-related death epidemic figures that the charlatans of the numerous anti-tobacco organizations keep waving in front of politicians, media, and public.

    FORCES wishes to thank Wanda Hamilton for her usual, meticulously accurate work.
    WORLD'S OLDEST -- ALL SMOKERS
    (Original compilation by Wanda Hamilton)

    Says who that smoking kills? Good habits such as smoking are the secret of good life – In spite of the drumming propaganda, every record of super-longevity belongs to smokers. Here is the case of Zhang Shuqing, a centenarian in Pixian, Sichuan, China, turned 100 on May 7, and who “buried” his own daughter – probably a non smoker! – eight years ago. Jokes aside, one is to think and really ponder on this. Record-setters of longevity are ALL smokers with a lot of other “bad” habits: Zhang also eats like a pig, including a daily bowl of pork fat! A paradox? Hold on: what is a paradox? Something contrary to scientifically established facts, or contrary to BELIEFS passed as scientific facts? Let’s face it: if smoking were such a “bad” habit Zhang and so many like him would not be here to prove the opposite, would they?

    The Big 115: another ancient smoker has a birthday party - August 28, 2006 -A reader tipped us off to this story of the ex-smoker, never-drinker who was already six when the U.S. seized Puerto Rico from Spain in 1898. "I never damaged my body with liquor," said Mercado, who quit a 76-year smoking habit when he was 90. Happy birthday, Mr. Mercado del Toro!

    The tobacco death toll - February 26, 2003 - Mercilessly, tobacco keeps harvesting an endless number of premature victims. Day after day millions of cigarettes are produced by criminals who KNOW that each and every one of their customers will DIE – and there is no escape, and no more unquestionable truth: if you smoke, you die. This is the case of the late John McMorran, of Lakeland, Florida. He smoked cigars, drank beer and ate greasy food –and now he has paid the dear price for a life turned that stands as an insult to the health crusaders. John was born June 19, 1889, in a log cabin in Michigan, and he was the oldest American living – but he could have lived longer. And that is not all; it is well known that smoking causes blindness and ear problems. In fact, “McMorran's eyesight failed in his final years, and people needed to shout for him to hear them.” What a waste. This is what tobacco does to you. May this epitaph stand as warning to the young, so that they learn to NEVER make John’s mistakes, and turn into statistical deaths.

    The Italian Massacre - February 26, 2003 - In the meantime, we get a full dimension of what tobacco does to people in other countries as well. The Italian daily “Libero” has just reported updates on the Tobacco Massacre of Milan last February 6th. Out of a population of 2.2 million in that city, there are 646 people whose lives will, inevitably, be cut short – shortly after they turn 100. Two of them are already 110, five are 109 and 12 are 106. Another 217 are only 100, 167 just turned 101, and 115 are 102. But that’s not over. Over 35,000 Milanese are in the age range between 85 and 94, and another 92,000 are between 75 and 84. You can see them in the polluted Italian city with their dogs, in the typical little bars, indulging in despicable habits such as coffee, grease-filled brioches, alcohol and – worst of all – smoking Tuscan cigars that stink more than any diesel tailpipe, poisoning their peers. Some of them even “do” cigarettes, having indulged in the deadly habit for over 94 years. Imagine how dirty their lungs are. According to the daily, in fact, the overwhelming majority of these people either smokes, drinks, or eats fatty foods. Most even do it all. No wonder the heroic health authorities must intervene to stop the carnage. It’s either now or never!

    Tobacco Claims Two More - The Philippines lost one of that country's most prolific and beloved composers and lyricists. Levi Celerio, who wrote the lyrics for more than 4,000 folk, Christmas and love songs, died after a bout of emphysema. Obituaries noted that Mr. Celerio was a chain smoker. He was 91. He is survived by his third wife and the 12 children he managed to father despite the impotence caused by tobacco. From the other side of the world, the United Kingdom morns the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother. The mother of Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen Mother was a bon vivant who loved horse racing, gin cocktails and, sadly, cigarettes. It was the latter, the beastly coffin nails, that did her in. She was 101 years old.

    Television Pioneer's Life Cut Short - "His trademark cigar rarely left his hand. In an interview two years ago, Berle said he'd smoked cigars since he was 12. "I figure if George Burns can smoke 20 cigars a day his whole life and live to be 100, why should I worry if they're bad for me?" We note the passing of Milton Berle with sadness and anger at a creative life cut short by excessive tobacco use. Mr. Berle died Wednesday from colon cancer. He was 93.

    Smoking Kills Famous Director - Succumbing to a life time of smoking, Hollywood director Billy Wilder died Wednesday at the age of 95. The 6-time Oscar winner directed such classics as "Some Like It Hot" and "Sunset Boulevard". His 1955 movie "The Seven Year Itch" made a contemporary icon of Marilyn Monroe's pose over a New York subway vent. The premature deaths of these two well-known victims of tobacco give added urgency to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation's campaign to eliminate smoking from movies. Once smoking is banished from the silver screen, the focus can be shifted to the people who make and star in the movies the movies. The carnage must be halted.

    Television Pioneer's Life Cut Short - "His trademark cigar rarely left his hand. In an interview two years ago, Berle said he'd smoked cigars since he was 12. "I figure if George Burns can smoke 20 cigars a day his whole life and live to be 100, why should I worry if they're bad for me?" We note the passing of Milton Berle with sadness and anger at a creative life cut short by excessive tobacco use. Mr. Berle died Wednesday from colon cancer. He was 93.

    Gregorio Fuentes - Cut Down By Tobacco Before His Time - Gregorio Fuentes, who skippered Ernest Hemingway's fabled fishing boat, the Pilar, for more than 20 years and is said to have been the writer's inspiration for the embattled fisherman in "The Old Man and the Sea," has died. He was 104. Fuentes died of cancer Sunday at his home in Cojimar, the quiet Cuban fishing village about 10 miles east of Havana where Hemingway used to dock the Pilar. Smoking until the end, Fuentes is sad proof that tobacco kills.

    John Berry - John Berry, a rugged-faced pipe smoker, a stage and movie director, writer and actor who made more than 50 films and, entangled in the blacklist, exiled himself from Hollywood during the anti-Communist inquests of the 1950s, died Nov. 29, 1999 at his home in Paris. He was 82. Another premature, tobacco-related death, no doubt. We are not kidding. Every smoker who dies is logged as a tobacco-related death to beef up mortality statistics and imply that those who don't smoke are either immortal, or live much longer lives. And when they die (…sorry, IF they die) they are not logged as a tobacco-related deaths even if they died of the identical diseases of smokers. … How else do you think that the anti-tobacco cartel builds up its statistical garbage about the "smoking epidemic?"

    Isabella Gibson ready to celebrate her 99th - Another smoker approaches one century of life. Gambling, smoking, and enjoying life does not seem to have cut short the life of this person, though she will certainly be logged as yet another "premature, tobacco-related death" by the crooked statistics desing to create numbers proving the Lie of the Century. Isabella seems to be still in good health, notwithstanding osteoporosis (smoking-related, no doubt). Happy birthday, Isabella -- and keep on smokin'!

    Wencelao Moreno: another victim bites the dust - It's with extreme sadness that we report the sad demise of Wencelao Moreno of a smoking related illness. Mr. Moreno, better known as "Senor Wences" of the "Ed Sullivan Show" was 103. During the benighted era when ash resided in ash trays rather than dictating policy in Washington, Senor Wences joked, drank and smoked with his puppets on T.V. All his puppets died of secondhand smoke decades ago. Although his premature passing is sad, his death is warning to us all that smoking kills.

    Mme Jeanne Calment, who was listed as the world's oldest human whose birth date could be certified, died at 122. She had begun smoking as a young woman. At 117 she quit smoking (by that age she was just smoking two or three cigarettes per day because she was blind and was too proud to ask often for someone to light her cigarettes for her). But she resumed smoking when she was 118 because, as she said, not smoking made her miserable and she was too old to be made miserable. She also said to her doctor: "Once you've lived as long as me, only then can you tell me not to smoke." Good point! [USA Today, "Way to go, champ," 10/18/95].

    When Mme. Calment died at 122 in l997, the new longevity champ became 116-year-old Marie-Louise Meilleur, of Canada. Mme. Meilleur had chain-smoked all her adult life (as her grandson said, "She always had a cigarette dangling from her lips as she worked,"--AP, 8/15/97, reported in Miami Herald, p. 2A). She did give up smoking, however, when she was nearly 100.

    The world's oldest man is (unless he has died since the last report I have, which is l997) Christian Mortensen, ll4 in l997,who has been a cigar smoker for most of his life--and still smokes them. [San Francisco Chronicle, "114 and Still Smoking," Peter Fimrite, 8/5/97, p.A13].

    Britain's oldest man, George Cook, died at 108 in his sleep in September, l997. He "smoked heavily for 85 years before giving up tobacco at the age of 97," ("World Briefs," Houston Chronicle, 9/29/97).

    The Scottish Daily Record (12/15/97) reported on Ivy Leighton, 100, who smoked 20 cigarettes a day for 84 years, but cut down somewhat after her 100th birthday. April claimed smoking was the key to her long life.

    There are two men who claim to be the world's oldest living humans, but their birth dates cannot be certified. One is Ali Mohammed Hussein, who claimed to be 135, of Lebanon. He "smokes like a chimney," but does not drink alcohol [CNN World News, "Born in l862," Brent Sadler, 5/13/l997].

    The title is also claimed by Narayan Chaudhari, a Nepalese man who says he is 141. However, his birth date also cannot be certified. He too is a heavy smoker and says the secret of his longevity is "raw tobacco and no alcohol." [Nando net, Agence France-Press, "Nepalese man claims to be 141, which would make him world's oldest", 2/12/98].
     
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  2. UncleBuck

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    Several years ago, according to Guinness the oldest person in the world was a Japanese man who lived to 120 yrs old. His age had been confirmed since he was listed in the first Japanese census (circa 1876) as a 5 year old. He stopped smoking at 115.
     
  3. Necroticpus

    Necroticpus Cthulhu Ftaghn!

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    This is one of the all time saddest stories I think I've ever read. Taking away smoking from the elderly cuts deeply and makes my heart ache because of it. When you live to be that old, you should be able to pretty much do anything you want. In some cases, smoking is all that they have to enjoy in life. They depend on the cigarettes, not as an addiction but rather as a social/comfort issue. If you had your most favorite thing in the world taken away from you and knew you would never be getting it again, how would you take it? I could see a lot of depression deaths/suicides coming in Cuba. I know I wouldn't want to live without cigarettes. They are my reason to live! A day without cigarettes is like a day without sunshine! Viva la revolucion! Stay strong brothers and sisters! Fight the power!

    Cuba Stubs Out Monthly Handout of Cheap Cigarettes for Elderly Smokers

    Published August 27, 2010

    | FoxNews.com

    Older cigarette smokers in Cuba had their subsidized rations stubbed out as the country attempts to put its economy back on track, The Guardian reported Friday.

    From September, the government will stop handing out monthly rations of four packs of cheap cigarettes to 2.5 million Cubans over the age of 54 as it presses on with a program to kick-start its economy. "The council of ministers has resolved to eliminate cigarettes from the rationed family basket as of September as part of the measures gradually being adopted to limit state subsidies. Cigarettes are not a primary necessity," an official statement said.

    Monthly allocations of chickpeas, potatoes and sugar also came under the ax during the past year as President Raul Castro vowed to end the ration system as part of longer-term plans to modernize the Communist country's economy.

    But some citizens are not happy with the austerity drive. "This is a blow for the elderly like me," said 82-year-old Esperanza Rodriguez. "It was like a bit of money they gave us each month."
     
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  4. Hugh Manetee

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    When my Dad was dieing of cancer I went home to spend his last month with him.
    One day I bumped into a woman who used work for my Mom one day a week. She had developed emphasima and was forced to give up cigarettes.
    She said, I walk by your house everyday and see your Dad having a smoke on the veranda and I say you lucky bastard.
     
  5. Necroticpus

    Necroticpus Cthulhu Ftaghn!

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    World's Oldest Man Marks 114th Birthday in Montana
    World's oldest man to mark 114th birthday in Montana with invitation-only celebration
    The Associated Press
    GREAT FALLS, Mont. September 21, 2010 (AP)

    A Montana resident believed to be the world's oldest man celebrated his 114th birthday Tuesday at a retirement home in Great Falls.

    Walter Breuning was born on Sept. 21, 1896, in Melrose, Minn., and moved to Montana in 1918, where he worked as a clerk for the Great Northern Railway for 50 years.

    His wife, Agnes, a railroad telegraph operator from Butte, died in 1957. The couple had no children.

    Breuning inherited the distinction of being the world's oldest man in July 2009 when Briton Henry Allingham died at age 113. Allingham had joked that the secret to long life was "Cigarettes, whisky and wild, wild women — and a good sense of humor," according to Guinness World Records.

    The Guinness organization and the Gerontology Research Group each have verified Breuning as the world's oldest man and the fourth-oldest person. Three women were born earlier in the same year as Breuning.

    Robert Young, senior consultant for gerontology for Guinness World Records, presented Breuning with a copy of the book's 2011 edition that lists him as the record holder.

    "Walter wasn't in last year's edition," Young joked. "He was too young."

    The Great Falls Tribune reported that Breuning gave a speech before about 100 people at an invitation-only birthday party at the Rainbow Retirement Community, with a guest list that included Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and representatives from Guinness World Records.

    Breuning was helped up to a lectern from his motorized cart, appearing somewhat frail but speaking with a strong voice.

    He recalled "the dark ages," when his family moved to South Dakota in 1901 and lived for 11 years without electricity, water or plumbing.

    "Carry the water in. Heat it on the stove. That's what you took your bath with. Wake up in the dark. Go to bed in the dark. That's not very pleasant," he said.

    He said men and women may be able to enjoy life, but they can't be content without a belief or faith. His parting message to the crowd was one of tolerance.
     
  6. kio11

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    smoking seems to have different effects on every person. my girlfriends father for example smoked everyday of his life and still healthy. on the other hand my 30 yrs old teacher is having finger-addiction to tobacco, his nails and teeth are yellow and most of his hair gone white at a point in his life where he smoked 4 packages everyday. im not gonna mention that he smells like a cheese preserved in a shoe.

    i think those old geezers get paid by tobacco companies to say "im a smoker" or they just make those stories up. there are 50 or 100 very old people around the world who claim to be heavy smoking. but there are millions of lung cancer patients and victims. 50/100 is the number that people die everyday to cancer. multiply that number with another 50-100 and its probably the number of victims that die due to depression. i say depression becouse tobacco and carbon boasts it.

    oh also it slows down sperm production. maybe thats the reason those people live so much. or their children are born unhealthy (see the guy with buried doughter - who would be proud of such a story anyway?)
     
  7. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    I don't smoke ... the cigarette does, I just puff on it. ;)
     
  8. SkeleTony

    SkeleTony Skepticus Maximus

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    Waitaminute...you actually BELIEVE THIS?! I thought it was an elaborate bit of sarcasm or something?!

    George Burns(and probably nearly everyone else who managed to live a long life while 'smoking') did not inhale his cigars and did not touch cigarettes.

    If you honestly believe that inhaling carcinogens INCREASES your life span then you need to talk to people in medicine as well as firefighters and paramedics.
     
  9. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Administrator

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    I believe Yul Brynner.
    I'm totally stealing that line.
     
  10. Necroticpus

    Necroticpus Cthulhu Ftaghn!

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    That's weird. I smoke a lot and I smell like dew-kissed roses rising with the morning sun over the waterfall.
     
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