Sexual discrimination in TOEE?

For those interested in gender equality and sexual discrimination issues I have noticed something odd. Males and females can have relationships (i.e Fruella and a male PC, Meleny and a male PC), and there is even the possibility of a male-male relationship (the tooth pulling pirate and a male PC) but the game does not allow the possibility of a female NPC-female PC relationship. The closest it comes to this is in Skole's Tavern when Lodriss can be chatted up by anyone, male or female, but she always says she is not interested. So in TOEE lesbian PCs never find true love !

Perhaps the designers at Troika thought that no gay women would be interested in playing TOEE, or they thought no one would notice or care but I am sure by the laws of probability that sooner or later a gay woman or a feminist interested in gender issues will play this game and what will this person think when she sees the imbalance in gender relationships ?

This is just an aside. It is not a criticism, just an observation. I don't know what the mods and unofficial patches contain, so perhaps this imbalance is rectified in them, I don't know.

 

Girl power!

As my granddaughter would say, there is no power females in the game, until the Demoness Zugg. The most powerful wizard is Burne, fighter is Otis, and not much else. With a lot of magical help, Meleny can be a power Druid. Fruella can be a power fighter. A belt of giant strength+6 and an amulet of health+6, plus some crafted armour and weapons can make a powerful NPC. The selection of female npc's is pretty slim, but I always have a powerful female half-elf wizard to even things out.

 

Jenelda?

If Jenelda was a out-of-luck wizard with real good ability scores, and could be rescued from the brothel, that would be cool. I don't know how difficult those kind of changes are. If it's a big time consuming hassle then it wont happen. I assume you can create or modify anything. It's just a matter of time or want to. Just another suggestion.

 

A female character marrying a herdsman is NOT an example of a lesbian relationship so I don't know why Allyx would even mention this. As for the rest of the comments, they obviously refer to a mod since in the original game as released by Troika there is no brothel. So my observation still stands.

 

hey Wizgeorge your forgetting about mother screng aka y'dey, who may be the most powerful cleric in the game. i admit that there are more male npc's and they are for the most part more powerful but they have thier share of wimps too.

i found it funny that they disabled the borthel but left in the gay relationship with betram. but now that you have enabled it again yeah we have lesbian relationship again even though she wont marry any of your girls since she is a whore lol. seems like there was another minor female npc somewhere that took an intrest in other women but nothing came of it either. oh well. i think the game could be a bit more balanced but its not bad

 

I've never been able to get Mother Screng in the game. No dialouge ever comes up that she can or will. I have no clue on how it's suppose to happen.

 

i havent added her yet i will next time but if you have otis with you and i think it has to be the second time otis joins you, they she will join you, i think otis makes the suggestion about it. i didnt have room for her at the time so i didnt add her but i looked up her stats in the module and they are good.

 

You've got to get...

...Otis to join up first..so does this make it a 3-some...?

BTW, Elmo is a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

 

yes, no criticism, you only label your thread "sexual discrimination".

Quite frankly its a load of hogwash, if anything it was just that the designers didn't think of every possible conbination. I mean you could complain there isnt enough represenation of bisexual hermaphroditial polygamy if you get right down to it. The game is extremely open ended and it does not seem to differentiate between the sexes at all, and even if it did it would not really be discrimination. Get over it.

Whats really funny is how many people respond with "girl power" when discussing the need for lesbianism... (ever heard of the sterotype of the man hating feminish lesbian?)

 

It's because...

...most guys like lesbians due to their desire to have an encounter with one and "reform" them...or better yet, to encounter two or more conflagratio dilecti and wind up in the mix with them. Fantasies found only in the pages of some other forum, if you take the meaning. No lesbians I know would get with a guy under any circumstances (especially like that), and those who believe otherwise are simply dreaming. A lesbian who would involve themselves with men and women isn't a lesbian; they are bi-sexual.

"Whats really funny is how many people respond with "girl power" when discussing the need for lesbianism... (ever heard of the sterotype of the man hating feminish lesbian?)
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