Secret Door Bug

Lets get to the bottom of this damn thing.

Can people give me some examples of...

Doors, or maps, where they have DEFINITELY, POSITIVELY gotten the bug.

Doors, or maps, where they have NEVER EVER gotten the bug.

I'll have a look if there is some way to set the secret doors up so they don't trigger whatever-it-is.

 

None of that explains the bugged doors in KotB though, which are coming up with brand new characters (and never do the 'same map travel' thing).

 

Well, yes, I think it is just that: the flags on portals seem to be there to reset the portal to a set state each time you return to a map, so i tihnk the flags on secret doors may be somewhat similar. I suspect it is this resetting from the 'saved' state for undiscovered secret doors when you return to a map that is causing the problem - but if there is a problem in how the game reads and writes its flags to saves, I'm not sure we can change that. Its a screw-up in the internal functioning of the engine in that case.

But since some secret doors are more prone to this bug than others, we can hopefully establish a best-practise set up to minimise or avoid it.

Hmmm.... come to think of it, the secret doors that are causing the problems in KotB are all ladders, if I am not mistaken, as are the notorious ones in the Moathouse. I'll try swapping them out with doors / stairs and see if that works.

 

Well, certainly your new icons are usable (and a damn fine initiative :thumbsup: ), but if we remove the secrecy bit, then we remove using Search to find them, which means less point in having that skill (considering there r currently no traps in KotB to speak of) or any associated feats like Skill Focus, or one less reason to play an elf... i think we should exhaust every avenue before giving up on secret doors altogther.

 

You know, I think its starting to sink in....

I was hesitant about that because if you frig around with doors, they stop giving you the little blue hand cursor to show something is going on - look at, for instance, the door to the Warehouse, or to the secret area down in the lower sewer - they don't give the hand because the straight-forward 'click here and teleport' nature of the door icon has been interrupted by some scripting.

if you take away the blue hand AND the door icon (because you want to keep it secret), you have nothing to indicate there is anything there at all, and it becomes a point-and-click-a-thon. I don't want that.

BUT... if we replace the door icon with an invisible one but leave it functioning as a normal door, we would still get the blue hand to indicate there is a door there. So it would still be secret in as much as there wouldn't be a big fat blue door icon telling you 'go here', but if people show the initiative to explore the area, they will get the blue hand straight away to know something is there.

It wouldn't work for all the secret doors - the Ant Mound hole would need one of Maggit's icons, for instance, since it has the 'climb down' script interrupting its normal use and thus doesn't fire the blue hand icon - but a mixture of subtle icons and invisible ones that trigger the tell-tale hand might well be the way to go.

It still negates the use of Search, though, alas, so I will still keep this as a last resort.