Scather/Fragarach Defensive Bugs

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  1. hugin7

    hugin7 Member

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    Whenever I use Scather/Fragarach swords, the Fighting Defensively toggle and the Combat Expertise feat fail to adjust my AC. I do see the -4 and -5 modifiers to my attack rolls for these abilities, not that they matter for swords that always hit.

    Forum searches confirm that both defensive abilities work fine for others, so perhaps this issue was recently introduced. I was able to reproduce it in multiple saved games, including the one posted for the Good Hope bug here: http://www.co8.org/community/index.php?threads/so-templeplus-exists.11774/page-26.

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Give Cleric Scather via DM tool (item code 4016).
    2. Summon Hill Giant.
    3. Attack giant with defensive feats active and then let the giant hit you.
    4. Review AC in combat log.
     
  2. Sitra Achara

    Sitra Achara Senior Member

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    That's not unique to Scather/Frag, happens any time you miss. Fixed, thanks!
     
  3. hugin7

    hugin7 Member

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    Strange, these abilities work fine for me with other weapons regardless of whether I hit or miss... and I never miss with the swords that always hit. ;)

    Thanks for the fix!

     
  4. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    When examining the rolls sometimes an ac buff shows up as a neg to hit for the attacker rather than a plus to armor for the defender.

    In other words' instead of adding +4 to armor, it puts a -4 to the attack.

    Merely another way TOEE likes to confound us. ;)
     
  5. hugin7

    hugin7 Member

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    I noticed. ;) In this case, however, the defender is not debuffed and you simply lose the 8 AC (5 for Combat Expertise, 2 for Fighting Defensively, and 1 for Tumble synergy) that you're entitled to.

    Thanks again to Sitra Achara for coming to the rescue and fixing this bug. :)

     
  6. Sitra Achara

    Sitra Achara Senior Member

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    IIRC invisibility works that way.
     
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