New ToEE rule set?

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  1. xraygord

    xraygord Member

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    Has anyone made a 1st ed. AD&D rule set for ToEE? Is it possible? I love the game, but I would much prefer to be able to play it with the original rules.
     
  2. wizgeorge

    wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy

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    ToEE was written for 3.5 and the stuff from the pnp modules was converted to 3.5 Elmo is a prime example of the difference, so, no 1st edition is possible.
     
  3. GuardianAngel82

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    Without starting a big debate, why is Elmo a Fighter 4 instead of a Ranger 4? Feats? :gotmyatte
     
  4. blackwind

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    I may be wrong but I think 1E rangers can wear chainmail without any penalties. So in 3.5 he couldn't be a ranger and wear chainmail without some kind of penalty.
     
  5. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Global Moderator

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    Yeah, Elmo's great as a 1E Ranger but as 3.5E, he would have to be completely changed. I for one don't see him as a subtle, 2wf warrior - he's a guy who hits things with a big axe.
     
  6. Kalshane

    Kalshane Local Rules Geek

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    Like Ted said, 3.5 rangers are very dissimilar to their 1st Edition counter-parts, so Fighter makes the most sense for Elmo. He still has (cross-class) ranks in rangerish skills, though.
     
  7. wizgeorge

    wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy

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    I think the developers had to make a decision on Elmo. With his stats he would be good at anything. To keep the AC he would need magic studded leather. But Elmo isn't the archery type, he's a axeman like in the pnp module. He would be good at 2wf with 2 +3holy, flaming battleaxes. I've done that before. I don't like 3.5 rangers and never use them. It was easier to make him a fighter and maintain his personality as a tough axeman, which I like. All Elmo wanted was a big axe, not a longbow. I like Elmo. Hommlet was the first game I ever played and DMed and when I bought ToEE there was Elmo. I remembered him after 30 years. He's just fine the way he is.
     
  8. GuardianAngel82

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    Yeah, I kind of see the point. Fighter matches the module CHARECTER better.

    I remember Rangers could wear PLATE. But, I can't remember AD&D or 2ed. Okay, so instead of chain mail, stick him in a chain shirt. Same AC.

    Keep the axe. It, to me, is more Rangerish than a longsword. The original Rangers in the U.S. were told to keep theirs sharp. Though they would be handaxes, not battleaxes.

    I agree, 3.5 Rangers are too pale and wan. Though in DDO (28 point buy), I'm running a elven Ranger/Rogue, just like I do in ToEE. Dual-wielding a rapier and a short sword with weapon finesse, I sneak him in and casually disembowel the targets before they know he's there.

    Now, if I could only get him to sing, "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay..." :dead::chick:
     
  9. blackwind

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    2E rangers were restricted to studded leather or lighter.
     
  10. GuardianAngel82

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    Right. 2ed Rangers lose some of their special abilities in heavier armor.
     
  11. DestroyYouAlot

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    I don't see why the one leads to the other. I for one would love to see an AD&D conversion - as it is I just grin and bear it (and choose feats that don't require me to do anything to activate them so I can just ignore them). It wouldn't require all that much to pull it off.

    -DYA
     
  12. xraygord

    xraygord Member

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    Thats the spirit!

    I do the same thing with the feats. I played Hommlet as a kid also, I loved that module. When I started to play the ToEE the PC game I was confused about some things, I noticed AC would go up instead of down when putting on better armour...lol. Thing was i didn't know about 3.0 or 3.5, I barely remembered 2e. I couldn't even find out about anything on the internet because when I got ToEE it was at the same time I got my first PC and we didn't get an interent connection for like a month and a half. Its a good thing the rule book was well explained. So I played and completed ToEE without having any of the patches or any online help. Anyone else ever do that? lol
     
  13. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Global Moderator

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    Let us know how that goes.
     
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