New Player

Hi there.

I picked up this game the other day on a whim after being incredibly dissapointed with Neverwinter Nights 2. After searching for the latest patches and subsequently being recommened to this website I modded my game up and got stuck into it.

and oh my god. This has too be one of the most underated Roleplaying games of all time. I have played alot of D&D games (Both baldurs gates, NWN ect) and this has to be the most beautiful rendition of the D&D ruleset I have ever come across. The combat is perfect and the attention to detail is amazing.

I cant believe I passed over this game for so many years thinking it was just a BG clone. Great work on the modifications. I am almost tempted to play the atari patched game only to really get a feel for how it was but I cant bring myself to do it, for the fear of being a waste of time.

Its criminal to think there is a toolset floating around there somewhere which atari wont let be released. Best of luck to you, in your efforts to remedy this....

Anyway, while im here I might as well ask a few questions of you all. (I have used search couldnt seem to find the answers)

1. Im playing with a full custom made party of 5. I have never hired any of the NPC's in the world as yet. Am I missing out on anything important?

2. The implementation of weapon finese seems a little vague. Am I wasting a feat if I take weapon finese with my rogue?

3. I encountered a NPC in the temple which mentioned another city Verbobinc? (sp?) and said they would mark it on my map. Upon checking the map there doesnt seem to be anything new. what gives?

4. Anything else, that you think I should know as a new player to get the best experience possible out of the game.

Currently playing a Lawful Evil Party, all pure class. Warrior, Ranger, Rogue, Wizard, Cleric.

 

1. No
2. Weapon Finess means, that you(r rogue) will be applying its dex bonus to attack rolls instead of strength when usning light weapons or raipers.
3. Not sure about that one - once you find fragarach turuko will take you to verbobonc IIRC.

 

Definitely not a waste of time but I think you need to have a lot of patience and love the game a lot to work through the bugs.

I still play through the original form from time to time. Just to spot changes more than anything else.

 

Thanks for the replies guys.

With the weapon finesse thing, perhaps I worded it a little incorrectly. I understand what it does, but I guess my real question is do you think its worthwhile taking for a rogue?

I assumed that this feat would make them a bit better in combat, but I take this will not apply to shortswords? just daggers and rapiers?

Also have never been very big on crafting in games. (didnt touch it in NWN2) can anyone give me a brief run down on the specifics of crafting in TOEE. I noticed that the craft item feat said something along the lines that items could only be crafted that the character was proficient in using. Does that mean my wizard could only craft robes? daggers and staffs?

thanks again

 

I would say that "yes, go on with Weapon Finesse". In a Rogue, specially. Why? Because of the tumble-flank-sneak chain. You need him to have good DEX so it helps you tumble, it helps your AC (I believe that your rogue won't be wearing heavy armors ) and it helps your roguish skills. So, unless you get some pretty good dice when you create your PC, STR would be a couple of points below DEX. If it's something like Dex 16-Str12, for instance, Weapon Finesse could add you a +2 to attack rolls: more that Weapons Focus, i.e.

This is even more useful if you have a Gnome or Halfling, because of the STR decrease. The lack here is that you only could use this feat with weapons that deal low damage (except the Tiny Rapier), but hey, your rogue's profit will come if you Sneak Attack with him . I really choose a Sneak Attack with a Dagger over a Longswords attack, for example.

IIRC, shortswords could be used for Sneak Attacks, but only with Medium Characters. I guess that the same goes with some bludgeoning weapons, like the Light Mace. Oh, and here's a nice crafting thread, I hope it helps: http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4607

(Look at Allyx's post, #4)

 

My rogue is human. dex is 18 and str is 13, so i guess its a good option in my case provided Weapon finese works with shortswords.

Thanks for the link.

 

you can sneak attack with any weapon.

finessable weapons (medium creature)

Unarmed strike
Dagger
Dagger, punching
Mace, light
Sickle
Axe, throwing
Hammer, light
Handaxe
Kukri
Pick, light
Sword short
Rapier*
Kama
Sai
Siangham
Tonfa

*is the only finessable and power attackable weapon

 

One thing that is confusing with weapon finese, is seems to imply that you must select the weapon you want to finese, but it doesnt give you an option. Is this a bug, or does it just apply to any weapon.

 

any finessable weapon

 

Weapon Finesse
Prerequisite
Base attack bonus +1.

Benefit

With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.

Special
A fighter may select Weapon Finesse as one of his fighter bonus feats.

Natural weapons are always considered light weapons.

 

If you aren't sure whether a weapon is "finess"-able, just equip it and click on the +?? next to "primary attack" and it'll show you a breakdown of all of your attack bonuses. If a weapon is finessable you'll notice.