Need some updated information-monks, rangers, clerics

I've done some search, but cannot find updated info on a few topics.

1.MONKS-have any of the new weapons that Ah Fong sells considered a monk weapon, in that they don't need an exotic weapon feat to use them? Are any of these new weapons able to be used with the Fury of Blows? I would think a Monk Spade is a monk weapon, but I'm not sure. There are no good descriptions with some, like the rake and shovel, it just says its a rake, is it a simple, martial, or exotic weapon? Can a druid use a rake? Can a monk?

2.RANGERS-This was brought up in another thread, but I've encountered it too. What exactly is happening at higher levels with favored enemies, are the early ones dropped or added to? I realize this might be a game engine problem, but I'd just like to know going in, then maybe I switch over to fighter or rogue instead of taking non effective ranger levels.

3.CLERICS- Is there an updated list with domain powers and spells? Were any higher level spells added to domain lists? Does the plant domain give the survival skill as a class skill?

 

Monk spades don't count as monk weapons.

However, several things Ah Fong sells do, although I can't remember all of them. Tonfas are one. There are also a few different blades. And yes, you can flurry with these, I think (I'm certain about the tonfas).

 

About Clerics:
I'm playing 6.0.0 NC right now, with a warband of clerics. I shall say ya that there are some new high level spells, that ya shall find just looking in the spell list of the help menu in the game. Boring, I know, but for high level spells, the lists are short. There are some new spells added on the list of domani spells too, but those ones are a little more boring to find...
About Domain powers, no, the Plant domain don't give ya the Survival skill. It gives ya Knoledge (nature), thatr is useless in the game and dont even figures in the skill list. In the other hand, it givbes ya the hability to turn/rebuke plants - never used, so, no idea of how it works - which affects all the fungus of the game. The domanins Animal and Knowledge just give ya nothing, since Vanilla till this point. Survival will be an excelent skill to figure in place of Knoledge (Nature) in both the Animal and Plant domain, amd maybe Appraise or a Skill Focus will be a great deal for the Knowledge domain too. But I'm not sure if it's possible tho change those things.
Whathever. A complete spell list will be very useful I agree.

 

Thanks for the update! One question, do the other domains just have a blank spot if they are not listed for any spell? Example: Animal domain has a 8th level domain listing, but no 6th, 7th, or 9th, but it would seem that it should have the appropriate Summon Nature's Ally spell. Also most domains don't have anything listed, will they ever get anything?



Also, can you give any insight to the monk weapons questions; which new ones count, what feat is associated with them, what are rakes and shovels?

 

Wail of the Banshee is 9th level death domain, and destruction is 7th level. Those are in my spell pack.

Some official domain spells simply can't be implemented satisfactorily in something like ToEE, and others would require engine support that doesn't exist. This even influenced some existing domain spells.

For instance, chain lightning is supposed to be the 6th level air domain spell. In ToEE, it's 5th. The actual 5th level spell is control winds, but I can't really imagine that actually being a sensible spell for a computer game.

Animal domain spells are:

6: anti-life shell (probably needs non-existent engine support)
7: animal shapes (same)
9: shapechange (same)

Existing spells could be ruled in, though. Summon nature's ally of the relevant level, for instance, since those seem appropriate.

 

Couldn't something be substituted for at least 6th and 7th levels? Most won't get a cleric high enough to cast 8th or 9th level spells. The summoning spells seem appropriate for the animal domain, any way to limit the summons to just a particular type of elemental, say earth elementals for the earth domain or air elementals for the air domain?

What about the war domain getting Tensor's transformation and Mordenkainen's Sword? Death domain getting finger of death?

Could animal shapes/shapechange work like either the druid's shapechange or be a one time Druid vestment-like spell-changing into a hill giant?

 

I don't think there's any way to limit the existing summoning spells. However, specific spells for a domain with the right elemental restriction are an option. For instance, the elemental domains are supposed to get elemental swarm at level 9, but only be able to cast it for their element. This could be done by making 4 <Element> Elemental Swarm spells. That's a little less exciting for the druids, since they shouldn't have to choose the element when they memorize the spell (I think), but I'm not sure there's a way to add new radial-menu-option spells anyhow.

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Tenser's transformation I have to veto. If you look at the spell script, what it does is apply divine power to you, and then apply some extra maluses, because divine power is too good. So there's no reason for a war domain cleric to have transformation for their 6th (say) level spell, because they already get divine power at 4th. They'd be better off just using their 6th level spot for divine power (which is possible; you just have to manually drag it to the slot).

Mordenkainen's sword for 6th is a decent idea, though (since it's implemented as a better spiritual weapon, which they get at 2). 7 - 9 should, by the rules, be power word spells, which exist. I'll check if they're enabled for war domain.

(Edit: War domain 7, 8 and 9 are power word blind, stun and kill as they're supposed to be.)

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What level were you thinking of giving finger of death to death clerics? 7th is destruction, which I've implemented. 6th is below what wizards get it at, and I'm not wild about giving clerics early access to all sorts of wizard spells (that is, giving them more than they already get in the official rules). 8th is what druids get it at, but finger of death is actually a little less impressive than destruction, so the 8th level slot would be weaker than the 7th.

6th and 8th level slots for death domain are supposed to actually be undead creation. I haven't got into it yet, but I think it may be possible to make decent such spells, so death domain may fill out all right.

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I'm not sure it's possible to polymorph things via scripts. And I don't know how the druid vestments work, but it's accessed by an existing wild shape ability which clerics/wizards wouldn't have. So I wouldn't get your hopes up there. Shapechange in particular is almost certainly impossible to implement correctly. It lets you choose a new shape every round for its duration.

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If you know of other existing spells that seem appropriate for holes in the domain lists, though, I'm open to suggestions.

 

That's not necessarily against the spirit of the rules, or does anyone find Magic Vestment more useful than Spiritual Weapon?

 

Well, those are two rather different spells. In this case, we have:

Destruction: ranged save-or-die, 10d6 damage on a successful save
Finger of Death: ranged save-or-die, 3d6+level damage on a successful save

Technically the latter would be slightly better if put at level 8, because the save DC would be 1 higher. But the average damage is lower, for as much as anyone cares about that.

Anyhow, ideally I can figure out a way to create cool undead, and this won't be an issue.

 

On the druid vestment, the hill giant shape is not available unless you have the magic item, so something is working to allow that, just wondering if that scripting could be used for other spells, maybe even wizard's polymorphing.

The specific summoning could make decent fill ins for several domains, plant could get some of those fungi, evil could gate in a demon.

Anyway to get an Excel spreadsheet of the old and new domain spells so we can see where the holes are?

 

The online SRD has a list of all domain spells here:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm

I did a once-over of all the implemented spells, so if it's implemented, that domain spot is filled in game (unless its level was lowered by Troika). Also, it's probably safe to assume that all levels up to 5 are covered for every domain. The only exception is air, because I just moved chain lightning to 6th level.

Skimming, I'd say elemental swarm is pretty easy. Dictum and word of chaos are just a matter of copying blasphemy/holy word. Undead creation spells of some sort are a maybe. Implosion is something I'll look into. Fire storm is a probably. Incendiary cloud is a maybe. Regenerate is doable, but probably not very good. Sunbeam is a maybe/partial. (Sunburst is implemented.) Greater teleport is useless.

Others, we should probably be looking for a replacement (if that's decided to be acceptable), although it's possible I missed some.

I understand if it's not acceptable to fill in the lists, too. If you want to go strictly by-the-rules, though, several existing domain spells will have to be removed, because Troika did fill in the lists in cases where the RAW spell is infeasible.