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1. What level is your party when you do Welkwood Bog? 1 to start

2. What level is your party when you do Hickory Branch? 5 or 6

3. What level is your party when you do the Arena of Heroes? 4 or 5

4. What level is your party when you do the Moathouse Respawn? 6 or 7

5. What level is your party when you start Verbobonc? 8

6. What level is your party when you finish Verbobonc? 10

7. What level is your party when you finish the game? Tend not to 'finish'

8. What are generally the most difficult battles in the game?* Mathel is super hard at level 1. I would also say the Moathouse barracks since I do that at level 3-4 without fireball. Slavers is tough (though I have not tried since 5.9.0) and the HB cave fight is moderately difficult at 5 or 6.

Note: I hardly do the Temple from being burned out. I will run to the earth temple priest to find out about the factions and get into Verb now.

 

1. level 2 with Elmo/Fruella
2. 6-7
3. 6-7
4. 8
5. 11
6. 13
7.Don't do the nodes or endgame anymore.
8.The slaver fight.

 

I find that the battle in Deklo Grove against the two spiders is tough as I'm usually level 1 or 2 when I do it.

The battle with Mathel is tricky too as I'm level 2 when I go up against him.

The garrison in the moathouse basement and the ambush outside can be a trial but usually only if my rolls go the wrong way as I'm at level 4 and then 5 at that point.

The bodaks and groaning spirit in the moathouse respawn are a deadly combo.

The witch and her group in the moathouse respawn is a bit tough - especially since her con was raised.

I also find the matriarch drow in the gnome tunnels can be tricky depending on how initiative goes.

There is a group of beholder kin in the water node that can give even my high level party fits at times. There is also a group of noble salamanders in the fire node that does the same.

The slavers, the balor, Iuz, and Zuggmoty are bad ass fights for sure.

 

1. What level is your party when you do Welkwood Bog? 7

2. What level is your party when you do Hickory Branch? 8

3. What level is your party when you do the Arena of Heroes? 9

4. What level is your party when you do the Moathouse Respawn? 10

5. What level is your party when you start Verbobonc? 16

6. What level is your party when you finish Verbobonc? 18 - 19

7. What level is your party when you finish the game? 18 - 19

8. What are generally the most difficult battles in the game?* I don't have difficult battles in the game as I like to see overpowered, very large numbers and have the upper hand but the quarry fight in WoGS is awesome and could use some more tweaking and beefing up.

 

1. 1-2
2. 4-5
3. 5 to start, 7ish for last challenge
4. 6ish
5. 9ish
6. Haven't finished Verbo yet either time, since switched to 5.9.2 and started over when still in Verbo when playing 5.9.1
7. Haven't finished yet with NC
8. Slavers were hardest in 5.9.1, haven't reached them in 5.9.2.
Mathel is too easy, even at 1st or 2nd level, since even the slightest use of turn undead makes him poof into nothing. Nulb ambush very tough too. Tower used to be harder, but tend to arrive at higher level than before. Smigmal is harder too, but again tend to be higher level than before.
One of the problems I'm having now is that with so many options of things to do, I sometimes forget to do some very basic things and wonder for a moment why something isn't happening later on. This is a good problem to have.

 

Mathel is quite hard if you don't turn him.
Which is sort of a bug because normally at that level even his servants aren't turned. Probably has to do with his HD. I'll have a look.

Also, I must say I haven't actually finished the game (Zuggtmoy etc.) for a long time now.

 

I'll give my answers in a moment, but maybe if Mathel has a necklace of turn resistance, he could have a higher survival rate against all the turns. Maybe also increase his Con a little for some higher HP?

 

I'll go along with giving him the amulet. However, for my games, he is usually the last one standing in his group (since I don't do turns). So I don't think he needs more con.

 

Nulb Ambush-especially when the assassin is included in it.

Salamander and friends in the Fire Temple.

Slavers of course

In the temple reaction zones when your lower level.

Hendrack and Company when you do not go right at him and limit your AoE spells.

 

Hi Gaear
My answers are intersperced

 

1. What level is your party when you do Welkwood Bog?
   Level 1
   
2. What level is your party when you do Hickory Branch?
   Level 4
   
3. What level is your party when you do the Arena of Heroes?
   Level 5-6
   
4. What level is your party when you do the Moathouse Respawn?
   Level 7
   
5. What level is your party when you start Verbobonc?
   Level 8
   
6. What level is your party when you finish Verbobonc?
   Level 10-11
   
7. What level is your party when you finish the game?
   Play in progress :yes:
   
8. What are generally the most difficult battles in the game?
   The Slavers Traders, I remember when my first try on them. The Queen instantly killed my wizard then another one, until most of my party are dead including Elmo, Meleny and Spugnoir - luckily for me that my rogue and fighter survive the fight.
   The Party of Orcs in HB cave - they're mean when they use their Barbarian Rage :evilgrin:.

 

Levels for 5 members in party, either 4PC/1NPC, or 5 PC

1. What level is your party when you do Welkwood Bog?
   lvl 1 start, lvl 2 finish
2. What level is your party when you do Hickory Branch?
   lvl 5 start, almost 7 finish
   
3. What level is your party when you do the Arena of Heroes?
   lvl 8
   
4. What level is your party when you do the Moathouse Respawn?
   lvl 9-10
   
5. What level is your party when you start Verbobonc?
   lvl 10-11
   
6. What level is your party when you finish Verbobonc?
   lvl 14-15
   
7. What level is your party when you finish the game?
   lvl 17-18, lvl 18-19 if NE party burns churches of both Cuthbert and Pelor
   
8. What are generally the most difficult battles in the game?*
   
   In order of difficulty:
   a. Iuz, supposed to be unwinable I think. Pretty much is without cheats or multiple reloads, shouldn't really be considered a fight I suppose, just something to do with an old save if you liked the party.
   b. Slavers, badass smadass, don't care, these guys come at you the hardest
   c. Welkwood, wrong strategy at any point or just some bad luck and you're dead
   d. Orc Cave, if you let them all disappear without assasinating them where they stand, a little easy at lvl 6-7 but if you aren't ready, they'll still get you. Note: I think the intent of the mod was to have the minotaur be the most difficult monster there, he's now a cream puff at the higher level you face him
   e. Lareth in the tower at the temple, Lareth makes all the difference in this one, can't ever seem play out of character and not kill that arrogant s.o.b. though
   f. Zuggy, one of those high level battles that can get out of hand, easier at the higher levels now, but if it gets goes south, it can still take out the whole party. I'm too familiar with this battle to lose it very often if at all
   g. AoH #3, unded wizs, stinking cloud can be extremely difficult without prep
   h. Reactive Water Temple, great battle, the party usually at too high a level for the outcome to be in question due to finishing Verbobonc first, though
   

*not just 'who is most badass,' but considering party level and capability, etc.

 

1 (start) or 2(if small party <3PC)

6

7

7-8

8

10 w/o slavers or assasination; went to Temple to lvl up then did slavers at 12 and still got one full level.

Anywhere 14-17 depending on how much of the Temple I skip.

Slavers definitely, last round of AoH, Assassination looked tough (havent tried yet). Lareth chambers if low level; Temple Tower. Emiridy Giant if PCs <lvl3

All info approximate.

EDIT: OK, imho the assassination at WB should be a bit more challenging, since it makes sense to complete it AFTER the Slavers, but the Slavers quest feels more challenging.

 

The following data is while playing a party of 6 or 7 player-made PCs (1 melee rogue, 3 or 4 melee fighters, 1 melee cleric, and 1 wizard), I craft items, max NPC HP enabled for both HD and level, I never use the spells web/entangle/grease, and I've not completed a lot of the game:

1. What level is your party when you do Welkwood Bog? 1
2. What level is your party when you do Hickory Branch? 4 at start, 6 at finish
4. What level is your party when you do the Moathouse Respawn? 6-7
8. What are generally the most difficult battles in the game?
* Gnolls in moathouse dungeon (if I kill the bugbears first, then all of my characters become level 3, which makes fighting the gnolls easy)
* Bugbears in moathouse dungeon (if I kill the gnolls first, then all of my characters become level 3, which makes fighting the bugbears easy)
* Assassin on random map (it's just a matter of luck with initiative order and saving throws)
* Hill Giant & Brown Bear at Emridy Meadows
* Orc Dominator at Hickory Branch is challenging with 6 PCs, but easy with 7 PCs.
* Orc Trainer & his wolves at Hickory Branch is challenging when level 4, but easy when level 5
* Fiendish Minotaur in crypt at Hickory Branch
* Lord Hungous and his minions in cave at Hickory Branch
* Seahag & Behemoth Kingfrog & Giant Gar at Imeryds Run
* Morhgs in courtyard of Moathouse Respawn
* Bodaks in dungeon of Moathouse Respawn