Losing attacks and actions apparently with no reason

Quite a few times i find some characters unable to attack nor move, with the action bar that depletes by itself. Sometimes when using the "full attack". Sometimes by just clicking on an enemy for a melee attack.

When it happens i check if the character has any status like paralyzed, stunned, etc, but i do not notice any negative status.

What could trigger this usually?

 

If you use "full attack," then that sets you into a mode where the only actions you can take are attacks and (maybe) a single 5 foot step. Sometimes the cursor doesn't indicate that you have attacks remaining, but you might be able to select them from the radial menu. You can't do regular moves after you've started 'full attack mode,' though.

If you're using Temple+, then there's an option to make the default action click try to do a full attack when possible (i.e. when you're close enough to 5 foot step to, or already hit the target), so maybe that's what's happening in the other case.

The tabletop rules are more flexible than ToEE is. You should probably be able to start with a single attack, then decide to continue with a full attack after the fact. And if you've only done one attack of a full attack, you should be able to decide that you want to abandon the full attack and take a move action instead. I've thought about implementing this in Temple+, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

Thanks Dolio, i have to check what option i have in Temple+ tonight. I usually just click on the enemy with the sword icon, and let the game decide. I usually do not use the radial menu.
But when this happens, and i check the radial menu, all the options: single attack, full attac, move, 5 foot step...practically everything, they are all red.
And i didn't do even a single move, or maybe i click somewhere, the character is blocked by enemies/walls/companions, and the game treats that as a full move. And the action bar depletes fully.
It's not clear and randomly happens, i can't fully understand what i am doing wrong.

 

Are your characters encumbered? Sounds like your movement speed is getting limited and fluctuates according to your vendor visits. Encumbrance can mess up your full autoattacks and normal attacks, if the enemies are positioned away. Overwhelming encumbrance means your characters cant even move or attack (for ToEE they cant move while in combat)

 

I usually try to keep everyone light, using the extraplanar chest. But sometimes i have some on medium encumberance. I will double check the next time it happens. But if i understan correctly at medium encumb. they should have some feet less of movement, but you are telling me they also cannot do a full attack?

 

only when your characters are exceeding their maximum allowed heavy weight, you might not even be able to move. Might be something else, try to speak to Jaroo, in Homlet, and tell him something strange is happening - he will attempt to fix the bug

 

I could try but it doesn't do it that often. Do i risk anything if i ask jaroo to fix something, when maybe actually there is nothing wrong?

 

Whenever you lose your action, did you per chance use another PC to "ready vs.." previously ? Sometimes when I use Ready vs Approach , then I make an attack on the appraocher , the PC next in line will lose their action, almost as if the previous PC used up their bar instead. It seems to happen randomly tho, I could never quite pinpoint a pattern to when it happens ( other than occasionally after "ready vs.. " )

 

You might be right, i also noticed it happens randomly, probably after i use "ready vs Approach", which i use often. But as you said it doesn't happen every time i use it.
I need to verify if it happens also when i do not use "ready vs..", because i can't say for sure if it happened also in other cases. Now i will pay attention to it

 

I have it setup in Temple+ as "Prefer 5'' step and full attack". Don't know if this helps to understand

 

With that option on, sometimes clicking on an enemy will completely deplete your action bar, because it takes a 5 foot step and begins a full attack. That uses up all the things it can display; the full attack uses both actions, and the 5 foot step uses up the remaining sliver you see sometimes.

I don't know exactly why you're losing attacks, though. If you knock down the enemy before all your attacks are used, then the character will stop attacking. But you'll still have attacks left that you can use via the radial menu. There's no way to move more, though, so you'd need to have another enemy in range.

 

Yes i noticed how it should work, but sometimes it just doesn't attack.
When i kill a mob with the first attack, then i can select the next targets, and if i cannot reach them, i noticed i can do the 5 foot step, and then proceed with the remaining attacks.
Sometimes i click and it just doesn't attack, and the bar depletes. It might be related to the "ready Vs." as said before. I will try to find a pattern as for when it happens

 

Sometimes there's just a glitch in the initiative order, either for no apparent reason, or because something odd happens. I had a recent fight where one on my characters followed an enemy Spiritual Weapon in the initiative order, and each each round her turn was effectively skipped. Was a bit dangerous, since she was just standing around next to an enraged werewolf rather than attacking in the way that she was intended to, but fortunately a team-mate was able to rescue.

 

Sometimes, there is an explanation (held, paralyzed or something) and can be seen if you slip the cursor over the character. Sometimes there doesnt seem a reason exists but it may well be something you are missing. Yesterday for example, the earth arc-cleric casted "soften earth and mug" during the battle in his chambers (where 20+ soldiers join him against you). I didnt even know what that specific spell is supposed to do and I ignored it. After 10-15 character and opponents had taken their turn, I came upon a couple of characters that could not act. There was no condition mentioned in their character image. I repeated the battle thinking it was some malfunction and the same thing happened. It took me 20 minutes to think, search the roll history, see my characters having failed a saving throw against the cleric spell and finaly open the help ? window to see what the cleric spell was.
Conclusion. Perhaps sometimes something strange happens with the game, but more often than not, we are just missing something.

 

One thing I've noticed while messing around with some stuff is that it seems like cleave eats up part of your full attack. I haven't tested extensively, but I have some characters that get 2 iterative attacks, and it seems like if the cleave happens on the first, they don't get the second. So it seems like either the cleave is getting counted as one of the iterative attacks, or it's just cancelling out the rest of the full attack.