elven wooden sheilds should be masterwork

elven wooden shields should be masterwork

The elven wooden sheilds are more masterwork then masterwork, they are way better then masterwork shields, but because they are not tagged as being masterwork one cannot enchant them.

Actually, I think there is a masterwork elven wooden sheild... but really, the basic one is already masterwork when it comes to human standards.

 

While there was a time I agreed with you, I really don't see a use for those shields anymore. Basically, I just don't like the looks of them. Besides, with a high appraise skill, I can get almost 80 gp for each when I sell them to the cabnet maker.

There are a couple of Large Steel Shield models that I do like (red and white and blue and white English Knight type shields), but most of the shield models are pretty bad. I mean, the +2 shield you find now and again looks like it has been pounded for a week straight by a giant with a mace. All dented and tarnished.

I usually go into the protos and change the models used for the shields and the swords. You know, there are about half a dozen different sword models, and they used about 2...

It does make it hell whenever a new mod comes out. I have to go in and change all those column 34's and 53's (i think that's the numbers). I just can't play with the original models anymore. It dosen't look right. Oh well.

 

Same here, I've got to keep track of all the changes I've made because most of the modding I do is just for the looks. And I defintily agree about the shields, the elf one are ugly as are most of the other ones

 

Hmmm. Whatever you may say about the elven shields being ugly, they are the best wooden shields out there. That means that they're the preferred shield for a druid, thus it really does make sense to fix them and flag them masterwork so the crafters can improve them.


--Ikarius

 

aside from how it looks, . . .

Can someone please help explain this to me?

In TOEE, in what way is an elven shield inferior to a metal shield? If they are both base +2 ac, and the elven shield weighs less, isn't it still a better choice for a fighter, even if they don't have to worry about the improved mods to sneak etc, or the decreased chance of arcane spell failure?

What'm I missing?

 

a tower shield is 3 AC without any magic.

Elven wooden shields are the absolute BEST medium shield. But there are also tower shields AND bucklers and small sheilds (small shields are pointless if they are not bucklers, ie, can be equipped without taking the hand away).

However, not everyone can use a tower shield, its a special proficiency of its own that requires the general shield proficiency first. Even if this has not been applied in the game, its still reallly REALLY bulky, its very heavy, and has obscene Arcane spell failure (50%) and what not.

The argument that they dont look all that great is moot, I am not talking about looks here, i am talking about usefulness and power. A shield has to be of at least quality X to be enchantable. NON masterwork elven sheild are higher quality then masterwork human made shields (which are good enough for enchantment), so said elven sheild should be enchantable.

 

Oh, I agree that the elven shields should be enchantable. I somehow never encountered a tower shield anywhere--not looking, I guess, because mostly both hands of my chars. are full with hilts . . .

 

arn't elvish shields already enchanted, just by being elvish?

 

it would be nice if they are but they arent. the only advantage they have over regular shields is they have no penlty to spell casters so if a wizard takes the shield prof or is multi-class that can use a shield, they can use it at no risk of spell falliure. they should be masterwork so they can be upgraded though. the tower shields are only avalible at brother smyths armory as masterwork i believe, they arent cheap.

 

they have a small penalty i think. very small, but still there. I don't know of any shield or armor with no penalty.

And they are not already enchanted, if they were, you could add enchantments to them.

The elven chain for example comes preenchanted, and thus is already tagged as masterwork and enchantable. (I think their enchantments are maxed out though)

 

nope no penalties at all to spells or skills. i dont know if they changed it but before in AD&D all elven stuff was usable by wizards at no penelty including armor, it also had no penalty to thief skills either. but i see that they did add a small penelty to the elven chain for wizards.

 

clerics of the coast really does not like the idea of wizards wearing any type of armor whatsoever. Basically, nothing can truely negate ASF according to core rules. And if something arises, then they just "correct" it so it does not.

 

ahhhhhh so they did away with armor arcanna where i spell caster would reduce teh penalty by 5 i think for each rank he took. oh well mine never wear armor anyway but i did change the elven shield in my game to a buckler since fav class of the elves is wizard and all elves start knowing how to ue bows this made more sense to me than a med shield.

 

A weird thing about elven shield is that they should be at least masterwork, as somebody already told.
The new is that, if a bard wears them, he gets armor penality from his light armor even if the shield has noone.
Anyway, for me it would have more meaning to make them mithrla +1 shield, so that they would have no penalities but they wouldn't go against 3.5 rules.
A question about Tower shields:
do they grant +3 to AC with no maluses like in NWN or are they like D&D 3.5, where they give +4 to AC but -2 to attack rolls? (like a warrior with C.mastery at 2 and a large shield )