Dwarf Paladins and drinking habits

Does anyone know the written official word from an original module (or maybe even an older issue of the Dragon Magazine or the Dungeon Magazine) as to what drinking habits Moradin will allow or prefer for his Dwarf Paladins?

 

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Yeah...they can only drink "small" beer.

 

I don't know about dwarves but my Egyptian paladin of Ra drank beer and wine. A good buzz and celebration was part of Egyptian culture, so not a problem. The dwarves are fond of the mead/ale so not a problem. Violent, obnoxious drunkeness would be a problem.

 

I fail to see why drinking or getting drunk would cause a Paladin to fall. It isn't unlawful....and it isn't evil......so the Paladin's ethos is never broken.

 

Is is corrupting your body with foul impure substances. If crack existed in DnD paladins wouldn't be allowed to do that either.

MY BODY IS A TEMPLE!! (what smiley to use for that??)

 

what about owl shit? is that corrupting your body with foul impure substances?

 

This goes against the laws of nature, and in almost everyplace you go, against the laws of man. Get drunk in Greyhawk, and see if you don't get the watch summoned on your ass. Especially if it leads to other bad behavior. It is a chaotic act that gives over control of oneself to the whims of one's animal instincts. You can't control yourself if you are drunk. Or high. And, it brings discredit on the deity you serve, NO MATTER WHICH ONE IT IS, if you do not act in accordance with discipline, self-restraint, and self control. I don't care what culture it is...getting drunk = loss of control. Drinking may be tolerated, but the key is remembering that drinking is not the same as getting drunk.

 

I'm not sure that I'm willing to buy the "drinking is a chaotic act" thing. We also aren't talking about getting drunk and disorderly. We're talking about getting drunk and then, in all likelihood, going to bed. Even if drinking to intoxication were reason enough for a Paladin to fall, it still makes no sense that a Paladin would fall because one of his companions decided to enter a drinking contest.

 

Likelihood isn't certainty. And, we are talking about drinking to intoxication, where people definetly lose control of their ability to act normally due to impairment. Both due to loss of inhibitions as well as motor skills. In the case where Sir Teatotaller has one too many and doesn't make it into bed without pissing himself, or throwing up, or groping the serving wench, or soiling his armor, or parking his horse in the wrong stall, it is these subsequent acts on which he will be judged; both by his deity & by those who see him making a drunken fool of himself. Regardless of whether his conduct involves crossing swords with the local militia, or punching out the barkeep or not. And, he should not have companions who do this either, because his reputation is also made by whom he is known to associate himself. He can't go running around with rowdy, drunken fools. The paladin who has a two beers in the bar before turning in or wine with dinner has nothing to fear by way of having to make atonement. Buy it or not, drinking to intoxication is not an act consistent with lawful conduct; it leads to a loss of control and is therefore chaotic as defined by every sense of the word.

 

IMO - The event in Hommlet at the Welcome Wench Inn is a who can drink the most drinking contest, not just have a beer or two - as in "drink until you drop", meaning pass out. At some point, the participating characters lose control and pass out. That is, unless a character wins and, thus, obtains a reputation as king of power drinkers. Paladins would disdain both. Further, a Paladin would not approve of [not esteem and not validate] characters in the same adventuring fellowship who desire and promote that kind of lifestyle. Paladins are pious zealots who see themselves above that mentality and would, at least, distance themselves away from that kind of activity if not entirely leave an adventuring fellowship.
* Dwarven Paladins may be the exception who might have a beer or two, sit back and applaud others who participate in an event like the drinking contest while not participating in the event themselves.

 

You eat owl shit???

:chew: :chew: :chew:

 

no - but if a paladin was to drink a potion of owls wisdom

 

Last I checked, a Paladin only controls himself. Making him fall because the good aligned bard in his traveling comany decides to enter a legal drinking contest is stupid. The Paladin can't force his travel companions to do whatever he wants them to do and a Paladin would not be required to leave the company of a party who enters a drinking contest. They broke no laws, and they did nothing evil. And the Paladin is not their babysitter.

 

Indeed. A Paladin upholds laws for the sake of upholding good, or benefit for others vs. harming others, and takes military action to protect and not for sake of harming or conquering. He cannot uphold evil laws and remain a paladin and if he enforces his will on everyone for its own sake, pride or selfishness, and not to benefit or protect others, he is being a dictator, taking away free will, and is acting as Lawful Neutal or Lawful Evil vs. Lawful Good.

 

thats where things get a bit suspect, does he uphold the laws of the land or his god, what exactly is an evil law. would a paladin fall from preventing a willing human sacrifice in a land with customs different from his own. would he fall for eating his vanquished foe in a culture that demanded that he do so in order to bring honour to his foe and himself. when he went to war to regain the honour of his ancestors/family/tribe what would happen if he failed to kill the first person he met on his geas, be they friend or foe, and not offer then to the god of war as required.