A Paladin Fall list?

Hey guys,

Just wondering if we have a list of all the things that can make a Paladin fall? Some of these things are very silly, let me give you two examples;

1) I go into the tavern, and I let my Dwarf sidle up and take part in the drinking contest. Now, I could imagine the Paladin refusing to enter it, but he up and falls when the Dwarf starts quaffing the frothy brown liquid!

2) Later in the game, after trying to not get into anything that is evil, I start a convo with the Earth temple headman. Auto fall. I would have thought, after talking to other evil characters and not siding with them I could at least find out what the evil plans of the temple is and then smite them righteously ("Foul beast! I will smite thee righteously!"):Being_a_s

Nope. No such luck. Just a big Fall for my Paladin.

Does anyone else think the whole falling thing is slightly inconsistant at the moment?

 

I believe the fallen Paladin argument has been discussed in detail in other threads.
I do agree that they do fall rather easily, especially the drinking game.

In regards to the falling in the temple, that is usually after you accept or complete a task for one of the leaders. I too have thought "what if its for the greater good?" It could be, but that would be more the action of a chaotic good character, achieving good by any means, not a strictly lawful good character. A paladin would probably be expected to denounce the temple members as evil straight away and try and erradicate them.

Thats just my thoughts, there are sure to be many different views on the matter.

 

now thats one of the first not stupid responces to a paladin thead IMO.

btw for the record I've never got a paladin to fall, so I'm not sure where that claims of "my paladins are falling left, right and centre" are coming from.

 

There are a few times in the game when a paladin falls, but it's scripted in the game, so it's not going to change. It comes with the game no matter what your thoughts are about paladins. They can always atone at the church. Just don't make any deals with the bad guys.

 

Just don't let your paladin deal with Mary for the curette. Definitely a Paladin no-no

 

I've noticed if you choose a lawful-good-aligned game from the start, you're unable to complete the Nulb quest for the curette in the Desperate Housewives mod, paladin or no paladin.

 

When you go to atone for the naughty bits a Paladine does: all he has to do is go to the church?

Does a money thing pop when you start yak with the priests?

I stopped playing paladins cuz i thought you were screwed once they fell.

 

{4} {Master of the Crude Insult}
{20} {Victor of the Drinking Contest}

Those two are really silly. Especially if it is another party member that initiates the reputation. The other things I can see the Paladin drawing their sword and attacking the party member that agreed/did the deed, or walking away never to return.

But if it is hardcoded, thems the breaks I guess.

 

Paladins who have friends that go around making offensive comments to people & getting rowdy drunk will become fallen because people are known by who they associate with. They will think that the paladin is like the people s/he chooses to be around. It brings them into a state of disrepute, which reflects on their patron deity, who will remove the offending character from their good graces. Hardcoded is how it should be.

 

A real life example is if all your friends are hells angels, law enforcement agencies are going to think that you're a bit dodgy as well - birds of a feather flock together.

 

I agree with your idea about intent. I'm a CS Lewis fan. The screwtape letters talk about the "intent" of even a good act can be selfish and decietful. Or the actions of a shady person be pure and decent.

However, it is impossible to know what a person's true motive is.

So the game, like TOEE has rules that are black and white.

On the other hand, i agree with the "generality Rule"

Hang out with Hell's Angeles and it safe to assume you're a drug dealer, or a thief.

I work in the ER and treat even crack heads nice, but i also think that niceness won't get me very far with them outside the hospital.

 

I remember playing Eye of the Beholder in the old days and when you used to search gravesites for items. If you had a Paladin in your team he would act horrified and tell your team that he refused to be apart of it. But he would rejoin your team after you finished searching. Thereby maintaining his integrity and not falling.

Couldn't the same thing occur for the drinking game? Could he not act disgusted and wait outside? I wouldn't think it would be enough for a Paladin to leave a party of adventurers for something like a drinking game, it would be enough to get him moody though.