Permanent Silence: Thoughts and Experiments

Keywords: silenced, permanent silence, permanently silenced

Config: Game, Current Co8 Patch, Temple.dll, modified PC limit (7)

Concern: After taking a party of seven (2x fighter, 2x cleric, 2x wizard, 1x rogue) through the Template Gate House and clearing the place, both fighters and clerics in the party are permanently silenced after stepping into a silenced area and combat ending while in the silenced area.

Experiments: Recasting silence and sleeping it off doesn't work. Dispel magic doesn't work. Sleeping for extended periods doesn't work. Going unconscious and being revived doesn't work. Heal doesn't work. Various other spell combinations and character interactions do not work.

Workaround: I can kill off and resurrect the party members that are permanently silenced in order to remove the permanent silence, but the experience penalty is so great that it's almost worth restarting with a new party again.

Question: After Googling and searching these boards (*argh* sixty-second rule ), I'm unable to find an adequate solution. I would like to either:

1. Kill off and reincarnate a character, using a "cheat" to raise experience back to the correct level
2. Use some console option to turn off the permanent silence
3. Use some spell combination (though I've tried many)

Character editing seems the easiest path, given the tools that exist, but I'd prefer something less intrusive that doesn't involve my party converging on and killing it's own member in order to reincarnate her.

Thanks,

Alex

 

Alex -

This should not be happening.

I will look into it. I can easily test this, and I believe it will be no problem to make sure that resting clears it.

If I can reproduce the bug then I can fix it (I think).

- Livonya

 

Thanks Livonya. Feel free to email me or post to this thread if you'd like more detail.

 

The others recommended better solutions, probably, but you can always do the following to boost your experience:

Call up the console with shift-~ and then type the following line (where X = [number of the character's spot in the party -1] and Y = [the experience you want them to have]):

game.party[X].stat_base_set(stat_experience,Y)

So to se the first member of your party to 3000 experience, you'd type:

game.party[0].stat_base_set(stat_experience,3000)

It's a quick fix for the experience point blues.

 

Many thanks Plothos!

That's exactly the thing I need for this situation. Though certainly a hassle to kill off a party member and resurrect them, in the near term I'm fine with that if I can reset their experience.

Thanks again,

Alex

 

How about this for a solution.

I am pretty sure I can create a special script that will kill your character, resurect him, while maintaing your experience point level.

I will just put this on an NPC in town.

You visit the NPC and tell him to fix the permanency bug, he kills you, resurects you, while maintaining your experience point level... for no cost of course.

I will look for a better way to fix it, but in the meantime I could code this fix.

What do you think?

- Livonya

 

Livonya, I think that's a great idea.

Alex chants: "Helga, Helga...perform the manuever...the 'me' manuever."

 

I have tried and tried to get silence to stay permantely, but have had no luck.

I wonder what causes it.

Has anyone had any luck using Dispel Magic to get rid of permanent effects?

When you get the permanent effects do the spell icons still appear on your icon?

I wish I could get a copy of a save game that had this error because then I could try to fix it via resting...

- Livonya

 

Dispel magic doesn't work (for me).
The icon below the character portrait was not there for three characters, but it was there for one of them. It showed something like 24/60 remaining rounds, but never decreased. Mousing over any of the four's portrait or character showed "Silenced!" in their descriptor.

You can email me or post the required files you need and I can fetch those for you and email or post them.

 

The infinite A-o-O scenario is caused by being invisible when making an A-o-O on a prone character that is standing up. You can instantly make this happen at any time by simple casting Sleet Storm.. people fall down and when they get an A-o-O the infinite lock occurs.

I am fixing Falrinth so this will no longer happen. The solution is to make sure that at NO times do you have invisibility and prone characters. Falrinth uses Greater Invisibility and Tashas' Laughter (bad spelling of that) which is what causes the infinite A-o-0 scenario. I haven't decided the best way to re-do him, but clearly he can't use that combo as it is bugged to no end.

I am going to take Sleet Storm out of the game and replace it with something else. Basically the spell is completely broken and can not be fixed. The combination of invisibility and falling down when you walk just doesn't work with the TOEE engine. So I will change it so that it does something different. I think I will make it into a mild version of Ice Storm. Not sure yet.

I will code the dialog fix with Jaroo this weekend. I already thought it through and it should be simple. You just tell him you are broken, he kills you, resurects you, and replaces your lost exp. It should be easy to do. I wass just thinking it might work to have him cast a SUPER version of Dispel Magic but I would need a Save game that had this permanancy problem in order for me to test it.

I just have to add some sort of fail-safe so you can't use him to get free resurections, but I think I have that licked already as well.

- Livonya

 

I've had Falnirth go into his infinite AOOs for more than prone characters. In fact, he's never cast Tasha's Laughter in the dozens of times I've fought him, but he's gone into the infinite AOOs in response to spellcasting and movement while he's been invisible.

Would also like to chime in that's better to just plain remove a spell than to change the way it works. Again, ToEE's big appeal for me is how closely it adheres to the PnP rules.

 

Yep, that fixed me up for the silence permancy bug, thanks !