Evil party Glitch *minor spoilers*

My evil party went to go speak to Terjon, and told him we burned down the church. He threatened to kill me... and Ichose to run away because he can kill all my guys with one spell.

But I can still go back to talk to him and he is relatively nice to me...

This seems like an oversight...

 

I think he's referring to the fact that Terjon doesn't seem to acknowledge he threatened to kill you when you go back and talk to him again.

 

Terjon: "Welcome to the Church of St. Cuthbert. How can I help you?"
evil PCs: *swagger* "Yeah, Terjie, that church o' yours you left behind in Willip? Yeah, we burned it. Took the gold, ate the food, killed the acolytes... and your little dog too."
Terjon: "Fiends! Wretches! Scum! The power of St. Cuthbert shall blast you where you stand!"
evil PCs: "Run away!"

[exit, re-enter]

Terjon: "Welcome to the Church of St. Cuthbert. How can I help you?"

While we're on the subject, could someone explain to me why Terjon was made into a demigod? I saw a poll awhile back where most folks voted to make him more powerful. Why?

IMO it's completely ridiculous that not only Terjon, but Calmert also were made into uber characters. Terjon is 20+ level when Y'dey isn't anywhere near that? Hell, even Hedrack doesn't hold a candle to that. In fact, IIRC, the Archcleric himself isn't that powerful.

What gives?

 

In the original pnp module, Terjon was 6th level, but was boosted by the Troika writers. He is pretty well out of place and overpowered for the place and position he is in. Typically, a place like Hommlett wouldn't have such a super-powered cleric. All said and done, an evil party bent on mayhem and destruction will have a difficult course. Somebody decided it should be that way.

 

Yeah, what does give? Hazen, the Shepherd of the Faithful, Arch Cleric of Veluna, is only 19th level. No way this should be. :doublethu

 

Yeah, especially since the first quest a neutral evil party gets is to confront him...

 

There's an easier way to tell Terjon without this inconsistency. If you have a character with a high charisma and the right number of points in a particular skill( can't remember which one), then you can opt to tell terjon about the burning of his Church without having to state that you did it. Terjon still sees you as evil, but thinks that you are willing to change, but you get the neutral evil vignette quest finished, without having to attack him.

Personally, I quite like the fact that Terjon is way overpowered, when my party eventually fights him and the rest of Hommlet. Makes the game worthwhile.

 

Troika had him over-powered when he was added to the game. Livonya took that a step further and powered up Calmert as well.

I wanted to make him a more realistic level when I was doing my NPC/monster update that became part of Co8 5.0, but as the poll showed, the community as a whole wanted to him to remain super-powered, but by the rules. So he's now a 10th level Cleric (since he'd have access to Heal as an 11th level Cleric, which would negate the whole background behind the Bing quest), 3rd level Paladin, 7th level fighter.

 

I know it's too late, but I'd like to posthumously vote No on the poll. I think Terjon should be his old, 6th level, non-+5 equipment carrying, self. I think he should stay 6th level and lose the Raise Dead ability, rather than raise his level to let him cast it. Hommlett is just too small to merit a raising High Priest.

If we're going to power-up characters, then may I repeat my long-held view that the NPCs in the Temple are way too low level. They should be doubled in level, at least, IMO. Any of the chief clerics can be wiped out by the bugbears they "control". And if we want challenge, why not improve NPCs that most parties are going to fight?

A party of five 6th level PCs isn't going to have any trouble from one 6th level cleric. Make them 12th level, or like Terjon, ramp them up to 20th. I find it much more plausible for Iuz to respond in person to a plea from a 20th level Hedrack, than a 9th level one.

 

yup, damn right...

 

Meh. When I get chance to finish off the long-promised fix to moathouse will have a peek. Don't think there's much that can be done to be honest - what/when do you want Terjon to nuke the evil party out of existance without initiating combat for themselves? :shrug:

 

I can understand the hatred u all feel for terjon, but when ur lvl 20 with equal or better equipment, its more realistic. and though making him lvl 6 would be true to the original, it makes it unfair due to the raised max level. I wouldnt mind higher level things to kill other then him though, a random encounter with a dozen or so lvl 15's that actually use a decent strategy would be fun!:evil:

 

terjon is beatbale before you get to level ten, you've just got to do it right. I wouldn't mind seeing him a little more realistic - like just a cleric 10 paladin X, cos he has done alot since he got to hommlet (xp gain I guess) and they did chose him over all the other hillbilly preachers around so he must've been ok to start with.