Question on KotB

I was wondering why are you guys were not heading this Mod in a direction of an expansion for ToEE so we could use it as a continuation of our adventuring careers? I looked around but if you have posted about it I have yet to find it. Is there some technical limitations in ToEE I saw something about maps above #260 and old maps needed to be deleted, if that is all is that rewritable so you could go higher if you wanted to? Thats way you could cont to update ToEE and apply the updates to both Mods at once.

Anyway I would love to see this in either format (addition or separate Mod) as I love this Module.

Macer

 

Huh?

http://www.co8.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45

You posted in the Kotb forum it is well on the way as far as I know, Ted could tell you more.

 

Hey Deathstriker,

see this thread for more info on the subject.

Cuchulainn

 

Ahh I see, I was unaware of the level limitations. I thought they were surpassed since you can raise the level cap to 20 though 4.0. As for heading to the caves after level 12 I wouldn't have thought of it, at least not unless i could raise the difficulty in doing it, but I was more interested in it as a campaign aspect (I used to DM a bit so I then to think in those lines). I wished I could help you guys make it but my extent in game making was from NWNs, so thats kinda apples and OJs and even then I couldn't get much more other then maps and chars made, but I did those pretty good.

rufnredd I am not sure what you mean, I know I had posted it in the KotB forums. I thought anywhere else was kinda outta place.

Macer

 

Macer,

Didn't mean anything just misunderstood what you were looking for. Thought you were asking why Kotb wasn't being developed, and since you were already in the Kotb thread, which is where I thought the big picture stuff was (my mistake). But Cuchulainn put the link I was looking for up for you, (I linked to the wrong thread). Then Ted followed through with a better explanation. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Well I don't own anything above 3.0 rule set but I can give stats or anything from them. I do have the monster manual for 3 and lower though and I have to look but I may still have the monster race as PC book for 2 (not sure my brother may have bought 3.0/3.5 version), but i think the MM carry stats as PCs in it but would need to relook at it. I also own the remake version of KotB called Return to the Keep on the Borderlands, Not as good by far IMO but if you wish to add some extra stuff or know the future of the caves i can give the input for it. As in what happens to the temple in the caves and the keep itself, as well as the outcome for each of the various tribes.

No biggie rufnredde I was just a little lost with the link to the Kotb forums.

Macer

 

Mostly what's needed from "olde DM's" is aid in the idea realm. Things you used to do in your campaigns to make it more fun & challenging to...er, uh....for the players. The rules folks here will give their own input as it's needed, and the modders will do their best to make it compliant within the spirit of said rules. Theres is a link to the 3.5 SRD here, someplace... if you do want to get more familair with that, too. Or not. I'm well known for bucking that system, favoring the hallowed 1st Edition shamelessly.

:beer:

 

Hi,
I dont know if you can fix this, and maybe it's been addressed already in newer DND rules additions (havn't played tabletop for a year or more/or maybe we missed the rule), but something me and my friends changed with 3.0/3.5? is the flat-footted penalty. We felt that even those people/monsters without a Dex bonus should be penalized for being flatfooted, so we laid a flat -2 Ac penalty for being flat-footed. So, you keep your Dex bonus (wether you have one or not), but take a -2 penaly to Ac until you act.

Hope this helps with something,
Yarazin

 

Being flat-footed is already a penalty all its own; you are subject to nasty extra damage from sneak attack/sudden strike/etc., and you are unable to make attacks of opportunity, allowing your foes a "free shot" at your vulnerable tush from whatever angle they like and can manage to get to. There's also the possibility that this happens during a surprise round, with the unpleasant corollary that you could suffer more than one series of such attacks.

BTW, in 3.5 clarification has been made of the "low Dex issue"; those who suffer a Dex PENALTY to AC still suffer that penalty when flat-footed. (Previously some claimed their dwarf cleric with Dex 3 actually had a better AC before combat started... um, no.)

--Blair
"Come back here, you lily-livered coward, and I'll bite your kneecaps off!"

 

What Blair said. The rules already give plenty of penalties for being flatfooted.

 

We kept all those penalties, we just agreed that those who were quicker on their feet should not suffer a Ac penalty when those who are average do not. Our way, everybody has a Ac hit, in addition to the rest of the penalties. So, in 3.5, they keep the loss of Dex bonus for all right? If character A has a 10 Dex, he loses nothing as far as Ac while being flat-fotted, but character B, who has a 16 Dex, loses 3 points of Ac? Not fair IMO. So, my way, both characters suffer a Ac penalty.

Later,
yarazin

 

House rulez...:roll:


In the 1st Edition, this was accounted for in the way you're describing. Characters with higher dex got to react sooner than ones with low scores. Their penalty was lessened because of swift reaction. But they still suffered a penalty in some cases.

 

[OT] Flat Footed penalties and [IT] Rules Changes

I use a similar rule: instead of losing the Dex bonus, any character with a Dexterity score of 7 or more, is considered having Dexterity 6 while flat footed. However, since I made lots of changes to combat rules (starting from the Grim and Gritty Midnight variant rules, I think it's downloadable from Fantasy Flight Games website) I can't really tell how this would work for you.
However, changing the rules (either original ones or troika's variantes) is slightly beyond the scope of KoB module, especially given that the board has his share of rules-lovers and rules-lawyers that would more than likely object with it. And this without considering that the vast majority of the rules are hard-coded into the game, and so they *cannot* be changed unless the source codes will be released by Atari. And do not count on that, at least not anytime soon. (There are more adequate threads for this matter).