Reagants - I mean, material components.

Discussion in 'The Temple of Elemental Evil' started by Shiningted, Jul 16, 2005.

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Add material components where appropriate?

Poll closed Aug 15, 2005.

  1. Yeah, I think we should look into this.

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  2. That idea is appalling, the game is complicated enough.

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  1. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    Nah, it should be a ring of 3 wishes!
     
    Allyx, Jul 17, 2005
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  2. Old Book

    Old Book Established Member

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    Thinking about this one more time, would it be possible to set a flag every time you add an item to your Spell Components Pouch?

    Would that eliminate the problem of having to build multiple pouches?

    Or am I just too tired? ;)
     
    Old Book, Jul 22, 2005
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  3. Shiningted

    Shiningted The Thunder of Justice Administrator

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    Yeah I was thinking something like that... hmmmm... that would be the way to go all right, just wondering about looking IN the bag and checking what you got... Hmmm... I reckon we'll think of something :)
     
    Shiningted, Jul 23, 2005
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  4. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    Did bags of holding ever work? I know they don't now, but if we could get them to work the spell componant pouch should be entirely do-able, scroll cases too.
     
    Allyx, Jul 23, 2005
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  5. steelfiredragon

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    well if you go and do this, can you make it outside of the mod that co8 already made,so that those who want it, can have it and those that dont are not forced to have it.

    and who'd sell it anyway, burne or his aprentis????
     
    steelfiredragon, Jul 23, 2005
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  6. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    I may be mistaken, but I predict that the next co8 patch will come with Agetian's temple frontend 3, which (when set up correctly) will allow you to have multiple modules/versions installed simultaniously. I currently have 3, the ToEE default (upto patch 2), Livonya's mod, and Cujo's mod. So making it optional is now an option.
     
    Allyx, Jul 23, 2005
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  7. Shiningted

    Shiningted The Thunder of Justice Administrator

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    Yeah I was thinking the bad of holding, its in there.

    Otherwise, a bag pic, a critter that speaks up when you 'use' the bag, and copious uses of the 'destroy' script in the dialogue when u use it.
    Etc. Roughly, thats it, and then the spell scripts merely have to check if that flag is, ummm, flagged.

    But again, its checking to see what is in there that is the rub - dlg options that take every possible combination of components in the pouch into account, could run into the hundreds.

    Better to do a 'by type', and then ask what the player wants to check is already in the pouch, rather than prepare a list.
    This would be a few dozen lines rather than a few hundred. Maybe obj_list or some other python command I am not familiar with could make it even more efficient.
     
    Shiningted, Jul 23, 2005
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  8. screeg

    screeg Nukekubi

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    I think having creatures, invisible merchants, etc. is a little bit (okay, a LOT) flaky for the sake of introducing a bag of holding. If there isn't a more elegant way of doing it, I wouldn't use it at all.

    As for the reagents, why not have the necessary item (gem for example) consumed and destroyed forever when you learn the spell? Inventory problem solved. Also, don't allow the spell to be scribed, so if you have another caster she too has to find or purchase the expensive/rare component.

    The simplest solution has to be the best.

    PS. Please please pleeeease don't implement, for PC's or monsters, instant death spells like Wail of the Banshee, etc. Having to prep your whole party against that one instant death threat, which can only be avoided via Death Ward is totally anti-roleplaying suck ass! (IMO)
     
    screeg, Jul 25, 2005
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  9. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    Oh? Why not? Wail of the banshee is a great spell, especially as you can use your bard to counter song the effect! (Not sure if counter song is an option in this game, but it should be!)
     
    Allyx, Jul 25, 2005
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  10. Old Book

    Old Book Established Member

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    Just a personal pref, but a spelll that my character can't scribe a scroll for is never going to get used at all. However, destroying the item on learning the spell is fine; it's a better way of handling the problem than filling the PC's inventory.
     
    Old Book, Jul 25, 2005
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  11. Lord_Spike

    Lord_Spike Senior Member Veteran

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    I'm pretty sure countersong is an option. I had a bard once with a lot of perform ranks, and seem to remember it there as an option. Not that I ever used it...didn't really need to.
     
    Lord_Spike, Jul 25, 2005
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  12. Old Book

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    Yup, you can Countersong, there's just nothing actually to countersong.

    Counterspell was also an almost complete waste of time until Livonia finally gave us a few more targets who actively cast spells.
     
    Old Book, Jul 26, 2005
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